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Re: Somewhere to Chat.

Postby Sinead » Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:50 pm

Haven't been around for the past few weeks, I was volunteering with the World Meeting of Families. What a huge undertaking it was - all volunteers had to be Garda Vetted and checked out with 2 referees - Government decision. There were over 10,000 people volunteered, the friendship and overall good atmosphere was amazing.
My time was spent mainly in the call centre, up at 7.00.a.m. to be in Clonliffe College for 8.30 - 9.00. a.m. Thank God it was July/August and the traffic wasn't too bad. I used the East Link most days, got rightly held up on one occasion as there was an accident on the bridge.
The company charged with issuing the tickets were a bit of a mess. On Friday last they had to set up a site people could long onto with their reference number and print off the tickets. Before Friday they issued an email which had a link to print off the tickets but the link didn't work.
Croke Park and the Phoenix Park were a great experience, despite all the negative publicity issued by RTE. Poor Patrick Bergin was singing a Leonard Cohen song when the Pope arrived in Croker and fair play to him he continued to the end as the Pope traversed the Stadium.
Delighted I gave my time, won't be around to do it next time a Pope comes to Erin's Green Isle.

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Re: Somewhere to Chat.

Postby Rocker » Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:09 pm

Fair play to you Sinead. Great work. We had the holliers booked and so watched bits from our hotel room. There was huge negative comment on CNN and BBC World. Where do they dig up the people (experts) to interview. I never heard of any of them.
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Re: Somewhere to Chat.

Postby Micheál » Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:59 pm

Rocker wrote: . . . Where do they dig up the people (experts) to interview. I never heard of any of them.


From the same pit as Candidates for the Áras :roll:

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Re: Somewhere to Chat.

Postby Rocker » Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:48 pm

Micheál wrote:
Rocker wrote: . . . Where do they dig up the people (experts) to interview. I never heard of any of them.


From the same pit as Candidates for the Áras :roll:

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:lol: :lol: They have some necks. I suppose you have to blow your own trumpet but, I would expect the president to be able to do a little more!!!!!!!
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Re: Somewhere to Chat.

Postby keeper » Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:22 pm

The night shots from the airborne camera of Croke Park and the city were stunning, we can put on a show when we have to !!! Thankfully no ranting and raving from Bono on Papal matters :shock:
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Re: Somewhere to Chat.

Postby Jemser » Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:18 am

Welcome back Rocker, I am just curious (nosey) about where you were on your holidays?
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Re: Somewhere to Chat.

Postby Rocker » Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:46 am

Jemser wrote:Welcome back Rocker, I am just curious (nosey) about where you were on your holidays?


Just a short hop to Hamburg. Got some really cheap Aer Lingus flights at start of year so did some other German cities then. I hadn't been in Berlin for about 30 years and it has changed for the worst I though. Their rail system is efficient and really cheap with daily deals for up to a party of five for about 35 E so it works out at a fiver to travel anywhere in the district for 24 hours. Ha, we are divils for bargainsbut, it makes it cheaper than staying at home !!!
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Re: Somewhere to Chat.

Postby Toss » Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:03 pm

So the Garda have a new Boss from Nothern Iron, wonder what he has to say about this ....
http://www.thejournal.ie/overreaction-to-a-peaceful-occupation-actions-of-gardai-and-security-firm-condemned-4231211-Sep2018/

It seems that a van without a registration plate at the front and a UK registration number at the rear, pulled up outside 34 North Frederick Street with 15 to 20 men and they proceeded to evict the squaters. While the eviction was legal, the whole operation looks like a shambles and anything but professional .... how long would any of us be allowed drive around Dublin in an unregistered Mini-bus with over or so a dozen masked men ?

Maybe GT can give us the legal view on this, but from my perch .... just like the Joan Burton Tallaght fiasco, it looks like a total PR disaster and as ill-concieved as you could possibly get. What if a serious incident occurred, how could the masked be identified ?

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What do you think, should our Garda be used in this manner ?
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Re: Somewhere to Chat.

Postby gingertom » Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:17 pm

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social- ... -1.3626722

Posted above, a summary of the events surrounding this eviction given in a newspaper.
Interesting that the public order unit was present. Given the numbers of persons occupying the building, their presence was deemed necessary. The building owner obtained a High Court order and the men in masks may have been employees of the owner. It is not illegal to wear masks. Sherrifs in the UK do so and is permissible here when acting to repossess or carry out a High Court order to seize goods. The process of eviction from a property is certainly never pretty and should be done in a peaceable fashion and this appears to have been largely the case here, which is all that matters. The squatters have defied a court order which cannot be tolerated in any fashion. They are trespassers. The real issue here is that the owner appears to have obtained planning permission to convert the property for residential lets and the squatters presence interferes with the owners constitutional property rights. High rents aside and whether those on the housing list will be permitted to reside there, these units are needed to house our population and the squatters are blocking this. Also the building is in disrepair, which places occupants in danger and the owner potentially liable for injury claims following from incidents relating to such.
I think it it is true to say that we are still haunted by the Land War of the 1880's and maybe this makes these images of such evictions, still shocking to us today.
It makes occurrences such as this all the more emotive because in Ireland today, we have hundreds of homeless families, living in hotels at huge cost to the state (and the resultant serious detriment to the children's mental and physical health) who in some cases have to live over the other side of the city, miles away from their original homes.The question here is how do we balance the property rights of those who own property and those who are in need of it to live.......

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/b ... 08796.html
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Re: Somewhere to Chat.

Postby gingertom » Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:39 pm

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Re: Somewhere to Chat.

Postby Toss » Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:20 pm

gingertom wrote:https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/van-used-to-secure-dublin-property-was-tax-compliant-garda%C3%AD-say-1.3626770

A curious little twist......


Keystone cops..... not forgetting the vehicle broke several parking laws !!!

The type of aggressive policing witnessed yesterday feeds the activists cause and attracts more support for their next occupation. All they had to do was form a line with their battle shields, stick together and simply hold that line .... instead they drew batons and reacted.
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Re: Somewhere to Chat.

Postby gingertom » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:08 pm

Toss wrote:
gingertom wrote:https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/van-used-to-secure-dublin-property-was-tax-compliant-garda%C3%AD-say-1.3626770

A curious little twist......


Keystone cops..... not forgetting the vehicle broke several parking laws !!!

The type of aggressive policing witnessed yesterday feeds the activists cause and attracts more support for their next occupation. All they had to do was form a line with their battle shields, stick together and simply hold that line .... instead they drew batons and reacted.


Did they trespassers prepare themselves for the enforcement of the court order? If this story is correct, could this be the reason why Gardaí were there in such numbers to protect themselves from the occupiers defensive tactics.Eviction is not a pretty business which is made worse by non-peaceable resistance to leave undertaken by these trespassers. It doesn't mitigate unreasonable force if used by Gardaí........but it may explain it though.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/t ... 23584.html
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Re: Somewhere to Chat.

Postby Toss » Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:09 am

There is no doubt that the activists are challenging the legal system as well as those that enforce the law .... my point is that the Gardai who are supposedly there to uphold the law are in this case, blatantly allowing / protecting / enabling laws to be broken. I pointed out some traffic violations as an obvious issue, but what about the use of an angle grinder in a public place.... health and safety laws were breached in so many ways from establishing a safe work area with signage to no personal protection equipment (PPE) used, to the use of a competent person who possesses sufficient training, experience and knowledge appropriate to the nature of the work to be undertaken (rest assured a competent person would know the regulations and would not have acted in such a risky manner). Speaking of risk, I would love to see the risk assessment carried out ahead of this undertaking .... my guess is it would be made up if requested, but does not exist right now.

If the law enforcers are ignoring laws, then the activists will gain support and that is not the way forward.

Ps it was embarrassing to hear the Garda cry about threats made on facebook .... it came across as a pathetic attempt to gain public sympathy. Garda get abused and threatened every day, its the nature of their work that brings them into conflict with law breakers and they are trained in how to deal with it.
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