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Re: Somewhere to Chat.

Postby gingertom » Sun May 27, 2018 6:58 pm



Ridiculous....What about when the nappy needs changing? What if the child cries to object? If a child is treated with due respect and care well then I'm sure they learn to be empathetic. But when they reach the age to be handed a smartphone and have access to the web, thats when parents should be proactive in policing their internet usage and prohibit access to porn sites. This is a major problem in how younger people, because women are mostly portrayed as disposable objects in porn, may form negative views around sexuality in general. Maybe that would be a better way to combat sexual abuse.


My view on the referendum issue is simple. I am saddened that we have permitted abortion to be legislated for in our Republic. Remember it is very likely that there will be a no reason required to terminate up to the 12th week. Alternatively we could have legislated for fatal foetal abnormality events without dispensing with the right to life protection for a vulnerable voiceless foetus.
For example, how many fathers will be told that their unborn child has been terminated without their knowledge, now this protection has sadly been discarded. In the days before this referendum, I can refer to quite a few fathers, including married ones, to whom this happened. As a de minimis principle, everybody who is entitled to vote is entitled to an opinion on this and every other constitutional issue.....gender status does not disqualify from participation in public discourse.

Legislation was already there.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2013 ... ed/en/html

The medical profession was fearful of section 22 as there was a criminal sanction for intentional destruction of human life. See below.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2013 ... html#sec22

A simple amendment or deletion of this provision may have negated the need for a referendum at all.
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Re: Somewhere to Chat.

Postby Toss » Sun May 27, 2018 9:04 pm

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Valid points GT and ones that mirror my view that this referendum could have been handled better. To my mind, the real winners here are the Government as the tax take from the rapid growth of private clinics will have them rubbing their hands with glee, while the HSE struggle to get the service up and running.
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Re: Somewhere to Chat.

Postby gingertom » Sun May 27, 2018 9:41 pm

Toss wrote:.
Valid points GT and ones that mirror my view that this referendum could have been handled better. To my mind, the real winners here are the Government as the tax take from the rapid growth of private clinics will have them rubbing their hands with glee, while the HSE struggle to get the service up and running.


Toss, remember the tax take will be minimal. Corporation tax is, when everything is taken into consideration, a single figure percentage entity. I contend that the real issue is that the state may empower private clinics to carry out these procedures and attempt to avoid responsibility (for malfeasance or any negligence) in cases of tragic circumstances. But crucially, I must highlight that in a similar fashion as to how Revenue is treated, such Clinics could be permitted to interpret legislation and implement what is known as 'delegated legislation' legally. Simply said, in the absence of clear legislation, a private corporate organisational interpretation could be allowed to permit any private entity to conjure a defence, to operate as they see fit.
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Re: Somewhere to Chat.

Postby Gerald » Sun May 27, 2018 9:51 pm

So, if the HSE is paying for abortions, whether it be supplementation for private clinics, or through the medical card, or public health, where do the funds come from? Will the government allocate additional funds for the HSE budget, and if so, why hasn't it been doing so in other areas of healthcare which are experiencing chronic under funding. If no more funds are allocated, presumably, other services will be curtailed, or even stopped entirely?
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Re: Somewhere to Chat.

Postby Strum » Sun May 27, 2018 10:32 pm

"zingerberi capillus et bene moratus"

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Re: Somewhere to Chat.

Postby gingertom » Sun May 27, 2018 10:34 pm

Gerald, the state may end up as ultimate payor for these procedures.
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Re: Somewhere to Chat.

Postby gingertom » Sun May 27, 2018 10:39 pm

Strum, just Strumming away my friend!
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Re: Somewhere to Chat.

Postby Toss » Mon May 28, 2018 12:44 am

gingertom wrote:Toss, remember the tax take will be minimal. Corporation tax is, when everything is taken into consideration, a single figure percentage entity. .


Its not just corporation tax though ...... all the clinics will needs staffing and premises as well as services and supplies. Its a complete entity that will feed a lot of money in the state... and as you say, that state will ultimately take the hit if or when things go wrong just like the breast scan fiasco.
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Re: Somewhere to Chat.

Postby Strum » Mon May 28, 2018 1:25 am

gingertom wrote:Strum, just Strumming away my friend!




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Re: Somewhere to Chat.

Postby Toss » Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:34 pm

I see our daily killing was in bray this morning with one man dead and two others injured (inc Katie Taylors dad)..... it seems the road goes on forever and the killing never ends. :(

The regularity of the murders suggest that there is no fear out there. Its not as if this scenario has not been flagged many times https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/republic-of-ireland-is-deadliest-place-to-live-in-irish-and-british-isles-new-figures-34614775.html so it begs the question "have the authorities any desire to take serious action and stop the rot?" or are they simply happy to maintain a level of crime and murder that allows its associated industries continue to exist and profit from misery. One thing is certain .... throwing money at the problem will not solve it.
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Re: Somewhere to Chat.

Postby Gerald » Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:55 pm

Toss wrote:I see our daily killing was in bray this morning with one man dead and two others injured (inc Katie Taylors dad)..... it seems the road goes on forever and the killing never ends. :(

The regularity of the murders suggest that there is no fear out there. Its not as if this scenario has not been flagged many times https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/republic-of-ireland-is-deadliest-place-to-live-in-irish-and-british-isles-new-figures-34614775.html so it begs the question "have the authorities any desire to take serious action and stop the rot?" or are they simply happy to maintain a level of crime and murder that allows its associated industries continue to exist and profit from misery. One thing is certain .... throwing money at the problem will not solve it.


Hegelian dialectic:

"Another form of the Hegelian Dialectic is Problem – Reaction – Solution. Most of us unwittingly fall victim to it all too often and sadly if we don’t stop, we will continue to lose our free will and liberties. It has been widely used by our governments and corporations around the world. You could say that in terms of controlling the masses, and society in general, it’s deployment has been an effective tool in keeping humanity in check.

Almost all major events in history employ the Hegelian Dialectic of:
Problem – manufacture a crisis or take advantage of one already in place in order to get the desired Reaction of public outcry whereby the public demands a Solution which has been predetermined from the beginning."

More power for the police force, and the authorities.
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Re: Somewhere to Chat.

Postby Sinead » Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:29 pm

The dead mean has been named as B. Messitt, I wonder is this a son of our one time Olympian Bertie Messit formerly of Shankill. It is a very unusual name. May he rest in peace.

Life has again become very cheap in Ireland, just as it was in the days of the Magdalene women.

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Re: Somewhere to Chat.

Postby keeper » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:07 pm

I was thinking that too Sinéad ! Bertie was a bus conductor from Shankill, but the man who died his surname was Messet, different from Messit. Bertie RIP was 82 when he passed on some years ago, I was thinking Grandson at first but with the surname spelled differently I don't think there is any connection.
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Re: Somewhere to Chat.

Postby Rocker » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:00 am

Here is an interesting one.

We all hear reports on the radio of lack of housing etc.

I took a casual drive around many estates in the Boro. I was surprised by the number of Council houses boarded up. I asked locals the story and in some cases was told...."No one wants that house! It has been idle for x.y.or z years.

If the situation is so desperate ...why won't people take the houses??


Maybe a silly question!!
Is is anti social behaviour in the various neighbourhoods?
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