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Re: Mystery House

Postby Gerald » Thu Jan 08, 2015 3:02 pm

The original post mentions Adelaide St., but dismisses this possibility. But it would be easy to mistake Adelaide St. for Adelaide road. There is nothing on Adelaide road now that could be the houses in the photo but there is an apartment block beside the eagle where there were once houses. So that's a possibility.
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Re: Mystery House

Postby Rocker » Fri Jan 09, 2015 6:38 pm

Could well have been Adelaide Road Gerald. On the 25 OSI map there was a row of houses .

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I think I've found the Mystery House!

Postby IanDC » Mon May 11, 2015 9:59 pm

Hello everyone. I think I know where the Mystery House was! After talking to my Mum about it last night I thought I'd try searching the area around Adelaide Street again. Now a while back I'd been looking at Rocker's historic map and trying to compare it with the modern map to see if there were any demolished buildings that fitted the bill, and I'd noticed that at the bottom of Corrig Avenue (where the Courthouse is now) there was some sort of industrial building that looked promising. I'd also noticed that if you zoom into my photo the windows on the house to the right look like they could be an office of some sort rather than a house.
Well, today I came across an aerial view from 1933 - http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/imag ... ire&ref=33 which shows that area. You can't see much on the photo at first but if you register with the site it lets you zoom in... And I'm convinced that's the building! It's got the garden in front with the wall, the corner, the pediment, the steps up to a door on the right, the row of windows on the left. Even the hipped roof showing slightly above and toward the right. I assume it was the managers house for some sort of workshop next door. Please let me know what you think. If this is it then I'd love to find out more about this building. Someone somewhere must have a photo of it surely?
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Re: Mystery House

Postby Strum » Mon May 11, 2015 10:22 pm

Wow Ian, I haven't checked your entire post yet but here's the photo to save members going back. ;)

Thing is, Adelaide Street is on a slope.


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Re: Mystery House

Postby Micheál » Tue May 12, 2015 8:58 pm

At this stage, such is my intimate understanding of the detailed layout of this house, I believe that I'd be capable of spotting it from space. Those arial shots are a great option for searching - I'm kicking myself I never thought of that.

Am I right in recollecting that the original poster dated his fathers connection with the house to the 1960s and that it was situated "near" Dun Laoghaire?

Off to launch my drone . . . .
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Re: Mystery House

Postby Sinead » Tue May 12, 2015 9:41 pm

The 'industrial building' you refer to on Corrig Avenue was Shanahan's Auction Room.
There was a very long concrete front yard and about 8/9 steps up to the front door.
I am sure on this site there have been photographs of the building when Shanahan's
Stamps held parties there where the band was, I think, Edmundo Ross.
Sorry to burst the bubble but that was definitely not the mystery house. Don't know
how long it was an auction rooms but it was definitely one in 1953.

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Re: Mystery House

Postby IanDC » Tue May 12, 2015 11:01 pm

Sinead, thanks. But what makes you say that it's not the mystery house? The building I'm looking at in Corrig Avenue looks very much like the house from what I can see in the aerial view. My Granny lived there before 1911 so it's perfectly possible that it became an auction house later. The building would have been exactly where the District Court building is now. If only some one had a photo of the buildings that were there!
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Re: Mystery House

Postby Snowhite » Wed May 13, 2015 12:48 am

I knew I'd seen a photo on here of the Corner of Corrig Ave, took me awhile to find it, not from the time you want it though IanDC

It's the last picture on the page, Navanman own's it so should know when it was taken ............probably no help dontknow



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Re: Mystery House

Postby Strum » Wed May 13, 2015 1:21 am

I doubt this is even in the town. Remember all streets from Glasthule to Monkstown are Hills. This house was on a corner, you can see the curve starting to go around on the left, so it's a horizontal Road somewhere else. All buildings are built on a straight level so I twisted the image to level the top which gives the slope, but now the gate is not vertical, so it's not on a slope. :D :?:




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Re: Mystery House

Postby Navanman » Wed May 13, 2015 8:28 am

My photo was taken in the 60's.

I am however facinated by IanDC's photo and it does look like a similiar house. Incredible quality photo.

That corner is so different to what I remember and no Adelphi. Never thought about it but when was the Adelphi built?


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Re: Mystery House

Postby Strum » Wed May 13, 2015 12:57 pm

I can't use that map. Can anybody take a screenshot of the House that Ian posted thanks.
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Re: Mystery House

Postby IanDC » Wed May 13, 2015 1:30 pm

Snowhite/Navanman, That's the building in the background. But with the left hand part demolished. If the photographer had panned to the right very slightly it would show the front of the building and we would know for certain if it was the house! Were any other photos taken that day? Strum, I like your photo with the altered perspective but I'm not convinced that the original house isn't on a slope. With lens distortion its difficult to tell. I keep going back to the aerial photo and I'm now 90 percent sure that it's the mystery house.
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Re: Mystery House

Postby Strum » Wed May 13, 2015 2:00 pm

Ok ta Ian, I'll try it again. ;)
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Re: Mystery House

Postby Sinead » Wed May 13, 2015 9:55 pm

I can't see Ian's map. The houses between
Corrig Avenue and The Adelphi were 2 or 3
story houses with very long front gardens
and walls, no railings. David Andrews did
use one of them as a constituency office
in the late 1960's. Behind these houses
there was a lane and there was a couple
of tenaments in it. Beyond the lane was
the auction rooms prior to the auction rooms
this was a Billiards/Snooker Hall.

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Re: Mystery House

Postby IanDC » Wed May 13, 2015 10:10 pm

I was going to post the zoomed in aerial view, but it seems that Imageshack isn't free anymore. I there another way that I can post it here?
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Re: Mystery House

Postby Gerald » Wed May 13, 2015 10:14 pm

IanDC wrote:I was going to post the zoomed in aerial view, but it seems that Imageshack isn't free anymore. I there another way that I can post it here?


Click on 'Post reply' and use the upload attachment option bottom left of the page.
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Re: Mystery House

Postby IanDC » Wed May 13, 2015 10:23 pm

Gerald, thanks. Hopefully I'll do this right.
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Re: Mystery House

Postby Strum » Wed May 13, 2015 11:08 pm

Navanman wrote:When was the Adelphi built?


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Don't quote me on this NM, but I think I read somewhere 1957-ish. :?:
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Re: Mystery House

Postby Sinead » Thu May 14, 2015 12:59 am

Ian - that is a great photo. If you look at it you will see that
the first house on Corrig Avenue had it's garden at the side
reaching down to George's Street. Behind the houses you
will see the tenaments I referred to they were accessed
from the lane which you can see before the first of the houses
with the steps up to the front door, the former billiards
hall and then the auction rooms.

The Adelphi Cinema was there when the film Pinnochio was
released because I can remember being brought there to see
it.

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Re: Mystery House

Postby Strum » Thu May 14, 2015 12:49 pm

Sinead wrote:If you look at it you will see that the first house on Corrig Avenue had it's garden at the side reaching down to George's Street.

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What was that block that the garden runs from do you know Sinead?
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Re: Mystery House

Postby IanDC » Thu May 14, 2015 1:45 pm

Sinead, I'm not sure what building you are refering to as the 'tenements'. Is it the L shaped building with two chimneys and a gable facing the camera? It seems to be joined to the long buiding (the auction rooms?), and its this building that I suspect is the left hand house in the mystery photo.
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Re: Mystery House

Postby Strum » Thu May 14, 2015 2:53 pm

Hi Ian, you mean the building where the Garda station is now? To the left of of that pedestrian?
If so I don't think so. Looks too high and longer garden. The other photo is a single story house. :?:
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Re: Mystery House

Postby skins » Thu May 14, 2015 3:57 pm

Don't know if I'm way off the mark here, but Shanahans Auction Rooms is shown on old posters as being situated at 38 Corrig Avenue. The 1901 Census shows a list of lodgers at that address, so perhaps the "tenement" was actually a large boarding house? For the record, I can't see our mystery house fitting in that vicinity.
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Re: Mystery House

Postby Strum » Thu May 14, 2015 4:08 pm

I'm not convinced about that black and white photo at all. If that building on the corner of Corrig ave is the same as what's still there now, (certainly looks like it, I'll know later when I pass) then the opposite one wouldn't have a garden wall because it would go out into the main street, although the photo is dated 1933, so the street could have been widened after that, but I don't think so if you see old photos of the main street with the trams. Does that make sense?
Could be camera angle aswell though. :?:
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Re: Mystery House

Postby Sinead » Thu May 14, 2015 6:16 pm

Take the aerial photo from George's Street going up Corrig Avenue.
There is the garden of the first 2 story house, a smaller 2 story
house, a narrow access laneway for the houses on George's Street.
Then you have what I remember as tenaments which carried around
into the lane - a wide one between this stretch and the next block
which starts with what I knew as the Auction Rooms. This building
was an Auction Room before Shanahan's bought it.
I hope this clears it for you somewhat.
I have always believed the 'mystery house' to be in either The
Crescent, Monkstown or down beyond Montpelier.
Is there any chance that the negative of the Mystery House has
been reversed?

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