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Re: Around the town.

Postby Sinead » Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:27 am

Strum:

The houses on that side of Mulgrave Street are deceiving. From the outside our house appeared
to be a single storey house but there are three levels in it. There were rooms off the hall, then
downstairs and there was an upstairs as well. The house next door to us only had two levels then
the single storey ones up about number 55.

Jabra, I need to go down and look at the houses to remember who lived in which when I was a
kid running around that street, I too probably knew your aunt.

Rocker, by house, you are also related to Michael Byrne, he of the Antarctic Expiditations.

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Re: Around the town.

Postby Denis Cromie » Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:06 pm

Amazing.
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Re: Around the town.

Postby Jemser » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:22 pm

Rocker wrote:Well wouldn't that take the sight out of our eyes. What a difference a lot of money makes.
In 1892 my Gt great grandmother Mary Anne Conway died in 62 Mulgrave Street,,,Jemser we are related by house!


Wow Rocker, I never knew that. I don't know exactly which year my Grandfather and Grandmother started to occupy that house but my guess is 1918-20ish. Must have a chat about that next time we meet, it really is a small world. Thanks for the information. hellllo
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Re: Around the town.

Postby jabra » Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:35 pm

Sinead
You would probably remember my cousins from mulgrave st. Sadie and Tony Quinn of No.59
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Re: Around the town.

Postby Sinead » Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:21 pm

Jabra,

I knew Sadie and Tony very well when I was growing up. Last year I met Tony at something in the RDS and I was also talking to one of Sadie's girls.
Sadie and Jemser's aunt Aggie were very good friends.

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Re: Around the town.

Postby jabra » Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:29 am

Sinead
I meet Tony Quinn every now and then and for some reason its always in the same place Killiney shopping centre.
Tony is about 82 now of course poor Sadie passed away some years ago . You probably know she had moved to
Gorey from Mulgrave St. and she wasn't long living there when her husband Noel McGovern died and she didn't
last long after him
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Re: Around the town.

Postby Sinead » Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:18 pm

Jabra,

Tony's long standing pal from Taggarts was buried a couple of weeks ago.

To-day I walked up Mulgrave Street to look at 'THE HOUSE' it is Pat Longmore's
home. Pat married a Hanney from Glasthule. It is good to see some of the
houses in the Street returning to homes rather than offices. No 65 has gone
back into a family home, this was the Thomas home.

My old home is still in family hands. When the Lords of the Soil offered the houses
to tenants there was a scramble to get the funds together to buy. The house cost
was in the hundreds at that time.

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Re: Around the town.

Postby Holla » Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:02 pm

Sinead wrote:Jabra,

Tony's long standing pal from Taggarts was buried a couple of weeks ago.

To-day I walked up Mulgrave Street to look at 'THE HOUSE' it is Pat Longmore's
home. Pat married a Hanney from Glasthule. It is good to see some of the
houses in the Street returning to homes rather than offices. No 65 has gone
back into a family home, this was the Thomas home.

My old home is still in family hands. When the Lords of the Soil offered the houses
to tenants there was a scramble to get the funds together to buy. The house cost
was in the hundreds at that time.

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Well Sinead looks like we all had relations on Mulgrave street. ;)
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Re: Around the town.

Postby Sinead » Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:29 pm

When I was a kid in Mulgrave Street many of the house had more than 1 family living in them.
This was also true of Northumberland Avenue. The building of 'The Noggin' cleared lots of
our friends out of the town, we only got to see them in school.

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Re: Around the town.

Postby Gulliver » Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:01 pm

If you look at maps before 1900, Mulgrave St, was a warren of "Courts" with vast numbers living in them - most especially in the backs of the houses on both sides in the blocks on the town end of the street
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Re: Around the town.

Postby Strum » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:07 am

An Orphanage to a rich man's paradise. I haven't looked it up yet but my Sis said earlier 1 mill for an apartment?


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Re: Around the town.

Postby Rocker » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:45 am

Gosh, they have done a lovely job on the refurbishment. But, I can't imagine any local buying one ...the stigma of the orphanage looms large!! I don't think the children were badly treated there but in my childhood the threat of being sent to an orphanage was ever present!!
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Re: Around the town.

Postby Sinead » Sat Aug 05, 2017 1:22 pm

The sinage use to read 'The Cottage Home for Little Children'. The building is on Corrig Road, pity the owners are confused about where they are. The buildings to the back of the Cottage Home are in Royal Terrace.
The Cottage Home took in a lot of children on a daily basis and they returned home in the evening.

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Re: Around the town.

Postby Strum » Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:42 pm

Is this you Gulliver, a few weeks ago, 7:00 PM starting a D/L tour I reckoned?



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Re: Around the town.

Postby Rocker » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:45 pm

Rocker wrote:Well wouldn't that take the sight out of our eyes. What a difference a lot of money makes.
In 1892 my Gt great grandmother Mary Anne Conway died in 62 Mulgrave Street,,,Jemser we are related by house!


Doing a bit more of the Parish registers and the Conways must have still had a few rooms in 62 as my uncle was born there in 1906. I saw some other surnames listed for the same house so it must have been in rooms in those days.
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Re: Around the town.

Postby Rocker » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:47 pm

That photo Strum looks like Gulliver gathering one of his tours. I had meant to do it as he is so informative. He makes the town come alive. Looks like a presentable enough crowd for the tour.
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Re: Around the town.

Postby Micheál » Mon Aug 07, 2017 12:24 am

That ain't no tour. It's another Water a Charges protest. (Or maybe, with that hat, a Rod Licence dispute).
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Re: Around the town.

Postby Gulliver » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:10 pm

Strum wrote:Is this you Gulliver, a few weeks ago, 7:00 PM starting a D/L tour I reckoned?



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That's m alright. Audiences ranged from 2 on a wet night to 47 on the peak night. The guy in the blue shirt to my left looking at his phone is James from the Council who arranges these guided tours
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Re: Around the town.

Postby Rocker » Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:16 pm

Was around the town this afternoon and a few things struck me.

With all this homelessness, no social housing, no decent sites to build.....I looked critically at a few places,

!. Who owns the Tech site?
could it be sold and social apartments built?

2. Who owns the Eblana School site?
could it be sold and apartments built there?

3. Does the church own the old temporary church?
I noticed today that it has a sign "Youth Services" on the wall but it looked closed up!
That could be knocked and at least a six storied apartment complex built with whatever social services or youth services on the ground floor. On the continent all shops like Lidl or Aldi have six or seven floors above for living space!!

Something to think about while people lie on cardboard boxes!!
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Re: Around the town.

Postby keeper » Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:07 pm

Indeed Rocker ! add to that all the disgraceful buildings on Georges Street from the shopping centre to the People's Park, the doorways are disgusting, I felt ashamed that I had told a friend with me on Sunday that this was my hometown, surely they could at least clean these buildings or at least make the owners responsible to do so, two doorways in particular smelled like cesspools and someone was already making a bed in one !!!
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Re: Around the town.

Postby Toss » Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:49 pm

Rocker wrote:Was around the town this afternoon and a few things struck me.

With all this homelessness, no social housing, no decent sites to build.....I looked critically at a few places,

!. Who owns the Tech site?
could it be sold and social apartments built?

2. Who owns the Eblana School site?
could it be sold and apartments built there?

3. Does the church own the old temporary church?
I noticed today that it has a sign "Youth Services" on the wall but it looked closed up!
That could be knocked and at least a six storied apartment complex built with whatever social services or youth services on the ground floor. On the continent all shops like Lidl or Aldi have six or seven floors above for living space!!

Something to think about while people lie on cardboard boxes!!



All obvious opportunities to address the homeless issue, but you are forgetting how the system works.....

In order to get the ball rolling a draft proposal would need to be drawn up and in order for that .... a committee would need to be assembled to include all the interested parties (likeminded of course as we dont want to rock the boat). As such a committee vetting process would need to be established and a schedule of meetings drawn up along with a draft agenda's and at this point it would require the services of an expert consultant to ensure all the right protocols and structures are in place ahead of any development meeting.

Having got to the actual planning stage, a specialist design team would need to be brought on board to ensure any proposed project is futureproofed and meets all Legal Governance, Risk Management, and Compliance or "LGRC" as its described in order imply importance. We are now probably approaching September next year and the focus will turn to finance as the development budget is empty due to increased meetings, expert advice and travel costs (the trip to see Chicago's homelessness respones was a tremendous success for all those who travelled).

At this stage, the decline in the proposed building will be a worry and a full Architects Report along with a Heath and Safety Audit will be required...................... as you can see, its now December 20th 2018 and nothing has changed except more funding is required to unforseen expenses in the pursuit of best practice as the Project develops !!


THIS is why, when you hear a politician talking about how they invested Xmillion in addressing the homeless issue .... you need to ask exactly how much of that figure was spent on bricks and mortar ????
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Re: Around the town.

Postby keeper » Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:04 pm

Spot on Toss as usual ! I'm impressed with your timeline of Dec 2018, surely by the time there are amendments to the amendments of sections 1-200 and further recommendations by outsourced consultations and cross party agreement to start real and meaningful discussions on how to deal with concerned objectors I thought we would be looking at 2025 :mrgreen:
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Re: Around the town.

Postby Strum » Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:05 pm

On another note, I have to applaud this young Girl if you're not aware of her ongoing work cleaning rubbish off the beaches from D/L to Bullock. Have a read of her latest blog. :D thumbright



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Re: Around the town.

Postby gingertom » Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:23 pm

Regarding ownership of the CBS Eblana site I found this news report.

http://wicklownews.net/2016/03/700-home ... n-rathnew/

A link to the property developers website.

http://www.ardaleproperty.com

I would doubt, if it is true that a developer has purchased such a desirable site, near the DART and so conveniently located and therefore making the value of housing so valuable....all which developers and business people want for profit and profit alone, if social housing will be on their agenda. Lets hope our local councillors will stand up and strive to ensure, if residential units are built, that at least some will be for social purposes.

What a great story about that civic minded young lady cleaning the beaches.......well done to her.
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