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Re: Dun Laoghaire, recession, costs, failed representation

Postby Toss » Sat May 30, 2015 9:23 pm

Sinead wrote:Toss, how many of these 'jobs for the boys' are related to
Dun Laoghaire?

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Impossible to tell really as Dun Laoghaire has quite a high level of said 'boys' and 'girls' residing in its confines. I was not being specific to Dun Laoghaire when I posted that list, I just came across it and thought it was worthy of sharing on here .... but maybe I was wrong and some people dont want to see such information?.

Having browsed back through the posts on this thread, it is obvious that the topics discussed are not strictly limited to Dun Laoghaire and vary quite a bit. May I suggest Strum can decide if my post is not suitable and he can move it if he so wishes.
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Re: Dun Laoghaire, recession, costs, failed representation

Postby Strum » Sat May 30, 2015 10:16 pm

Toss wrote: May I suggest Strum can decide if my post is not suitable and he can move it if he so wishes.



Not my call. You can find this on the internet.
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Re: Dun Laoghaire, recession, costs, failed representation

Postby Rocker » Sat May 30, 2015 11:16 pm

Thanks Toss for the list. I do go around with my head in the sand.
If they have enough layers noone can be held responsible.
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Re: Dun Laoghaire, recession, costs, failed representation

Postby Sinead » Sun May 31, 2015 6:50 pm

Toss:
Get a 'nick of yer grippers' and calm down, I was not implying there was
anything wrong with your post - I genuinely am interested in whether or
not any Dun Laoghaireites can be identified on these boards. It would
be an interesting topic to bring up with those going for election.
I don't know if people still get paid for these boards but some years ago
you got 12,500. Euro p.a. for each one you were on! Nice pickings if
you were part of the clique.

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Re: Dun Laoghaire, recession, costs, failed representation

Postby Toss » Sun May 31, 2015 8:13 pm

Sinead wrote:Toss:
Get a 'nick of yer grippers' and calm down, I was not implying there was
anything wrong with your post - I genuinely am interested in whether or
not any Dun Laoghaireites can be identified on these boards. It would
be an interesting topic to bring up with those going for election.
I don't know if people still get paid for these boards but some years ago
you got 12,500. Euro p.a. for each one you were on! Nice pickings if
you were part of the clique.

Sinéad


Sinead: Rest assured I am more than calm, I simply answered your question as it was put (which was directly to me and not the masses).

I have had parts of previous posts censored as some on here were not happy with what I was posting and yet strangely they were incapable of ignoring my posts. Can I take it we are of the same opinion, that there is a lot of people out there who are more than happy to sit on boards and generate an income ?

To this end ...... post #335 on this link shines more than a little light on the issue 8-) http://www.politicalworld.org/showthread.php?6584-The-Quango-Hammer-Thread/page23 THIS MAKES VERY INTERESTING READING, RIGHT UP TO HE LAST PAGE BangHead
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Re: Dun Laoghaire, recession, costs, failed representation

Postby Sinead » Sun May 31, 2015 10:15 pm

Thanks for that link Toss, interesting reading.

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Re: Dun Laoghaire, recession, costs, failed representation

Postby Micheál » Fri Jul 10, 2015 9:31 pm

Looking further afield, its interesting to see another EU-related referrendum being so blatantly ignored.

While I dont believe the Greek leadership should ever have put this to the people ("beware asking the question lest you have to live with the answer") i do have a certain amount of sympathy for the poor Greeks ( but not the rich establishment). That said, my sympathy does not extend to the broad electorate who returned a Government on such an impossible mandate.


The cute hoor in all this is the former Finance Minister who keeps the popular credit (?) for showing two fingers to foreign Creditors and then quietly slinks away before he had to face up to reality of imposing the inevitable remedial measures.

It'll be interesting to see how the Greek people react to the latest proposals.

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Re: Dun Laoghaire, recession, costs, failed representation

Postby grammer » Sat Jul 11, 2015 12:40 am

It's all Greek to me -
the little guy still picks up the sxxxitt and pays others for the privilege. dontknow dontknow dontknow
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Re: Dun Laoghaire, recession, costs, failed representation

Postby Toss » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:04 am

Who remembers this .... http://www.dlrcoco.ie/aboutus/councildepartments/corporateservices/communicationsoffice/pressreleases/2010/may2010/18may2010-newmarlaygolfcourse/ ..... oh what clever people we are here at the DLRCC. Well now all this artifical grass is being ripped up and thrown away because joe public was not happy playing golf on plastic greens :roll:

Wonder which genius came up with that plan and how much money have they wasted ? BangHead BangHead
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Re: Dun Laoghaire, recession, costs, failed representation

Postby Rocker » Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:40 am

Gawd Toss,

I don't know anything about golf and didn't hear that they were ripping up the course. What a waste of time, effort and money. The Council is probably like my old job. The bosses go around with their big ideas and don't listen to anyone who might know anything, like, the "little man"....budgets are there to be spent and by Gawd the bosses are your only men!!
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Re: Dun Laoghaire, recession, costs, failed representation

Postby Micheál » Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:39 am

Anyone who is still harbouring hopes of a resurgance of the town as a commercial centre should read this . . . .








http://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/carrickmines-district-centre-site-goes-to-market-for-over-45m-1.2407426

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"A large parcel of land designated for the third and final phase of the highly successful shopping and business facility known as The Park in Carrickmines, Dublin 18, will be of interest to Irish and overseas investment funds when it goes on the market today.

Mark Reynolds, of Savills, is guiding in excess of €45 million for the site of 7.24 hectares (17.92 acres), most of it zoned for use as a district centre. However, under the proposed new draft of the Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County Development Plan, which will run from 2016 to 2022, the planners have identified a need for a large new neighbourhood centre as well as a multiplex cinema. Further retail warehousing will also be open for consideration.

The park was developed in two phases by Michael Cotter’s Park Developments, the first in 2004 and the second three years later. Both phases were purchased at the height of the boom in 2006 and 2007 by Warren Private at about €100 million each. AIB Private Banking took a shareholding in the second phase.

Accessibility

The success of The Park from the start was largely due to its easy accessibility, with its own dedicated Luas stop and direct access to the M50 via junction 15. Just as important has been its close proximity to what is arguably the greatest concentration of high-disposable-income families in the country.
In 2014, The Park recorded visits by more than two million cars, and visitor numbers exceeded 4.87 million. Not surprisingly, all existing retail and office space is fully let and providing employment for around 2,400 people.

Statistics from Savills show that retail spending is rapidly rebounding in the Dublin area, due in part to the fact that the average family there has 20 per cent more disposable income than in the rest of the country.

The bulk of the land now going for sale is owned by Park Developments and an associate company, Tristor Ltd, which is controlled by investor clients of AIB Private Banking. Park also has a 20 per cent stake in Tristor. About 10 years ago, Tristor, led by businessman Tim Crowley, acquired eight acres alongside the park for around €76 million and subsequently secured planning permission for a massive mixed-use development, extending to 83,610 sq m (900,000 sq ft), almost as big as Dundrum Town Centre. The project was promptly blocked by the then minister for the environment, John Gormley.

Tesco had been a key partner in the planned development, and reputedly agreed to buy a fully completed 8,000 sq m (86,110 sq ft) store for around €70 million.

Compensation

The supermarket giant subsequently decided to abandon and plan and paid over compensation to Tristor, which owns part of the land. The UK multiple was also reported at the time to have bought loans which were taken over by Nama. Tesco is not expected to embark on a major new development in the Republic for the foreseeable future, after taking a hammering over a long-running bookkeeping scandal in the UK.
Mark Reynolds says The Park is one of the only locations in the county capable of accommodating significant additional retail warehousing, along with a supermarket and cinema and leisure facilities, in planning terms.

Savills is planning to offer the Carrickmines land for sale in one or more lots. Lot one, fronting on to the main entrance to The Park and extending to 12.63 acres, will have the e-economic development and employment envisaged in the zoning objective. Retail warehousing is also open for consideration.

In addition, there is a specific local objective to have a large new neighbourhood centre with a net retail floor space cap of 6,000 sq m.

Multiplex

The draft plan also envisages leisure uses, including a multiplex cinema. The planning guideline recommends that an additional 3.59 acres should be used as open space to incorporate a linear park. It also recommends that a further 1.88 acres in a pivotal location should be set aside for a new feeder road on to Ballyogan Road, effectively creating a secondary main access point into the overall park.
Savills say this high-profile site, directly across the road from the Ballyogan Wood Luas stop, would ideally suit filling-station operators, car showrooms and retail warehousing, as well as neighbourhood shopping.

Reynolds says the Carrickmines lands hold significant value, whether in the hands of a retail owner-occupier or of a specialist retail/mixed-use developer. A buyer who brings credibility to a cutting-edge scheme could add significant value by expanding the scale and success of the existing retail and business park during a time of resurgence for the occupier market."
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Re: Dun Laoghaire, recession, costs, failed representation

Postby Sinead » Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:53 am

The Planning TribuNal never fully got to these lands. I wonder
Will all this development happen.

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Re: Dun Laoghaire, recession, costs, failed representation

Postby Rocker » Wed Oct 28, 2015 10:29 am

I have read it Micheál and I'm still not convinced that these big brash places are the way to go.
As Mrs average I still like small town shopping where I will have the chance to see people I know and have a chat.
For my big shop I drive five minutes to Cornelscourt and with free unlimited parking I have time to browse and shop also meet the many Rockers and Dunloaghairelites and have the chat.
A quick nip to Blackrock where i get two hours free parking at the supermarket and I can take in all the shops in the town and of course the chat.
Wake up DLRCoCo give two to three hours free parking andwe will all come back.
Years ago I went to Holywood and was more than surprised to park for nothing near Rodeo Drive. When i made enquiries I was told that they could not charge for parking or people would go to the outlets.
It seems a trivial thing but, most people don't want to be screwed every day for parking fees and most are not fit and able to walk many miles and drag shopping home on buses and trains...as I said Mrs Average !!!
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Re: Dun Laoghaire, recession, costs, failed representation

Postby Micheál » Wed Oct 28, 2015 11:23 am

The problem with Dun Laoghaire is it's not Rodeo Drive . . .

a) it doesn't have the space for more parking - whether charged or not. If it were made free in the morning, where would the extra punters find a space?

b) Rodeo Drive isnt on a commuter line to a more attractive city. Even if there were spaces, theres a real risk they would be eaten-up by punters from Wicklow and beyond going to the City or Croker or RDS. It seems the Stillorgan SC has this problem now. On All-Ireland days, they have to post bouncers on the car park to scare off GAA supporters looking to catch the 46A

I find the charges in DL quite reasonable and my Parking Tag App makes paying (& extending) really easy. But I still dont drive there often because I've no confidence I'll find a convenient parking slot. And when I cycle, I confine my purchases to what fits in my pocket.

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Re: Dun Laoghaire, recession, costs, failed representation

Postby Toss » Wed Oct 28, 2015 12:17 pm

Rocker wrote:I have read it Micheál and I'm still not convinced that these big brash places are the way to go.
As Mrs average I still like small town shopping where I will have the chance to see people I know and have a chat.
For my big shop I drive five minutes to Cornelscourt and with free unlimited parking I have time to browse and shop also meet the many Rockers and Dunloaghairelites and have the chat.
A quick nip to Blackrock where i get two hours free parking at the supermarket and I can take in all the shops in the town and of course the chat.
Wake up DLRCoCo give two to three hours free parking andwe will all come back.
Years ago I went to Holywood and was more than surprised to park for nothing near Rodeo Drive. When i made enquiries I was told that they could not charge for parking or people would go to the outlets.
It seems a trivial thing but, most people don't want to be screwed every day for parking fees and most are not fit and able to walk many miles and drag shopping home on buses and trains...as I said Mrs Average !!!


Well said rocker, parking is very poorly organised in DL and appears to b more about generating money than helping the community. As for carrickmines, theres a lot of houses up there and not all are well heeled so any development that increases jobs is good for the neighbourhood.
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Re: Dun Laoghaire, recession, costs, failed representation

Postby grammer » Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:59 pm

Toss wrote:
Rocker wrote:I have read it Micheál and I'm still not convinced that these big brash places are the way to go.
As Mrs average I still like small town shopping where I will have the chance to see people I know and have a chat.
For my big shop I drive five minutes to Cornelscourt and with free unlimited parking I have time to browse and shop also meet the many Rockers and Dunloaghairelites and have the chat.
A quick nip to Blackrock where i get two hours free parking at the supermarket and I can take in all the shops in the town and of course the chat.
Wake up DLRCoCo give two to three hours free parking andwe will all come back.
Years ago I went to Holywood and was more than surprised to park for nothing near Rodeo Drive. When i made enquiries I was told that they could not charge for parking or people would go to the outlets.
It seems a trivial thing but, most people don't want to be screwed every day for parking fees and most are not fit and able to walk many miles and drag shopping home on buses and trains...as I said Mrs Average !!!


Well said rocker, parking is very poorly organised in DL and appears to b more about generating money than helping the community. As for carrickmines, theres a lot of houses up there and not all are well heeled so any development that increases jobs is good for the neighbourhood.


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Re: Dun Laoghaire, recession, costs, failed representation

Postby grammer » Wed Oct 28, 2015 3:03 pm

I reckon Dun Laoghaire will become a village -Georges St. full of quaint little curiosity shops Art galleries and eating houses and cafes.
Just like other villages all over the country -
Shopping will be in out of town outlets.
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Re: Dun Laoghaire, recession, costs, failed representation

Postby Micheál » Wed May 11, 2016 5:29 pm

I've been away and had the opportunity of reflecting on how my destination city has provided an abundance of publicly accessible facilities for citizens and visitors alike. Not necessarily free but accessible and reasonably costed, if not totally free.

So here's my question to you all - in this year that we've been celebrating the beginning of our winning freedom from British imperialist yoke. . . .

In Dún Laoghaire and its surrounding neighbourhoods, what has the Irish State, in all its guises ( Govt, Councils, Agencies etc) done by way of providing NEW facilities that are accessible to ALL its citizens?

Good Example: Cabinteely Park.
Bad example: DART ( this was just a technological adaption/upgrade to what was already there)

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Re: Dun Laoghaire, recession, costs, failed representation

Postby Strum » Wed May 11, 2016 5:37 pm

Micheál wrote:Over to you


Botanic gardens.
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Re: Dun Laoghaire, recession, costs, failed representation

Postby Micheál » Wed May 11, 2016 7:16 pm

Strum wrote:
Micheál wrote:Over to you


Botanic gardens.


Ahem.
Recall the question was "what has the IRISH State . . ." Ie since independence. And I'd include anything provided with European funding via the Irish State.
And in the Dún Laoghaire area - let's say the region covered by this site.

By the way, another example, albeit not a D/L one, would be the Port Tunnel.
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Re: Dun Laoghaire, recession, costs, failed representation

Postby Micheál » Wed May 11, 2016 7:22 pm

Widespread street lighting (over and beyond what might previously applied in shopping streets)

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Re: Dun Laoghaire, recession, costs, failed representation

Postby Rocker » Wed May 11, 2016 7:30 pm

I decided to move last year and was suddenly jolted into looking at the place from a young,active person/couple with young/teenage children.

I drove around looking critically at everything within a mile and was really surprised ,
At the top of my road the Council assisted the residents some years ago with building tennis courts. I hadn't been up there for years as I don't play. Well they are used nearly 24/7 in the summer and a little clubhouse has been built.

A lot of the adjoining estates have been joined with walkways and it is now possible to walk from Newtown park to Foxrock church through quiet leafy places. I had never noticed as I drive everywhere and don't have the dog.

A very vibrant soccer club meets at the local pitches and have been aided by the council with super duper changing and meeting rooms. Something going on most weekends.

In this parkland a really fine children's playground has been built an area close to four schools and every evening after school huge numbers of young children and their parents meet, chat and play again I missed that as i don't have children and don't do school runs.

There are two church/community halls one at Bakers one at Foxrock Church with every kind of community event going on during the day and at night.

The Blue pool has everything from cardiac physio to swimming, gym, meeting places, coffee shop. playing fields...again I missed all that as I am a couch potato.

They are just a few things I noticed that have been built/improved some with Council help over the last few years.
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Re: Dun Laoghaire, recession, costs, failed representation

Postby Sinead » Wed May 11, 2016 8:56 pm

Kilbogget Park - the Tennis Courts in Clarinda Park - THE LEXICON - Moran Park.


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Re: Dun Laoghaire, recession, costs, failed representation

Postby Rocker » Wed May 11, 2016 10:21 pm

The James Joyce Tower at Sandycove. Mostly funded by donations and Failte Eireann and staffed by volunteers but a great place for locals and visitors alike to visit.

http://jamesjoycetower.com/

Aviva Stadium (Lansdowne Road) funded by IRFU and us take the tour

http://www.avivastadium.ie/tours

Deansgrange Cemetery now in the ownership of Dún Laoghaire Rathdown Co Co could be coming alive after years of hard work by many people including Joyce Tunstead an unsung heroine who has done tireless work locating, photographing and inputting data on this website
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/ ... ge-ndx.htm
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Re: Dun Laoghaire, recession, costs, failed representation

Postby Toss » Wed May 11, 2016 11:13 pm

Micheál wrote:I've been away and had the opportunity of reflecting on how my destination city has provided an abundance of publicly accessible facilities for citizens and visitors alike. Not necessarily free but accessible and reasonably costed, if not totally free.

So here's my question to you all - in this year that we've been celebrating the beginning of our winning freedom from British imperialist yoke. . . .

In Dún Laoghaire and its surrounding neighbourhoods, what has the Irish State, in all its guises ( Govt, Councils, Agencies etc) done by way of providing NEW facilities that are accessible to ALL its citizens?

Good Example: Cabinteely Park.
Bad example: DART ( this was just a technological adaption/upgrade to what was already there)

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In order to be accessible to all its citizens, I take it such facilities must be free of any charges and restrictions .... hence I would agree that the Parks with their great kids play areas and variety of free sports facilities would be high on my list (although it ust be acknowledged that such facilities are not uniquely Irish and can be found in many countries).
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