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Postby Micheál » Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:17 pm

Hi Guys.

I'm starting a new topic on this, prompted by
- Strums recent inquiry (in another thread)
- My recent discovery of Tom Spaldings excellent work on Cork Street Signs "Layers" (of which more later)
- My own quest to discover the drivers, designer, maker and timing of our distinctive Yellow name plates.

So to start off, here's my Album of Dun Laoghaires surviving signs.

https://flic.kr/s/aHsk1L527d
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Re: Street Signage

Postby Micheál » Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:25 pm

I had always assumed that these signs were motivated by the arrival of the Eucharistic Congress in the 1930s. Not because of the Yellow (Vatican) hue, but because these signs are all over the city - most especially in Phibborough and NCR where they are coloured Green.

So imaging my astonishment when I came across an image of O'Connell Street with a similar sign for Princess Street in this style - dated reliably to 1928 !!

I'm now focused on a particular supplier - one George Winnall & Co of Birmingham who is known to have fulfilled an order for enamel signs that were put out to tender by Dublin Corporation in about 1924.
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Re: Street Signage

Postby Strum » Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:51 pm

Ah perfect Micheal. Thanks for that. thumbright

I've been working on a project for a while and nearly there but I needed to find a sign of Georges St lower and upper to copy. I found them eventually on street view. There only three existing as far as I can see. There are none for lower Georges street on either corner of York Rd crossroads, a little thing that the coco should take note of.

Anyway one beauty on the corner at the Park crossroads, Freedom St upper?



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And these two, one at ground level for phone zombies?

Note the top one fits perfectly between the bricks. Coincidence or made to a certain spec?



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Re: Street Signage

Postby Strum » Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:11 pm

Great place to move this one on Convent Rd.


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Re: Street Signage

Postby Strum » Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:32 pm

Ah, another.


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Re: Street Signage

Postby Strum » Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:37 pm

Great collection that Michael. I don't see the one I posted below across from the Park, and also Cumberland St still has a Yellow one. ;)
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Re: Street Signage

Postby Rocker » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:02 am

Strum,

When you look at that sign quickly it looks like Saoirse meaning freedom but it is Sheoirse (don't know how to write the séimhiú) the Irish for George. Is that a full stop after George's Street and Upper or just a nail hole?

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Re: Street Signage

Postby Strum » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:22 am

Rocker wrote:Strum,

When you look at that sign quickly it looks like Saoirse meaning freedom but it is Sheoirse (don't know how to write the séimhiú) the Irish for George.



Um, no H on the sign though. I wonder if the sign maker was taking the mickey? I mean George, very English, so somebody had to come up with the gaeilge translation. :D
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Re: Street Signage

Postby Sinead » Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:56 am

Strum, the use of the letter 'h' in the Irish language is very new. By that I mean in the last
50/60 years.

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Re: Street Signage

Postby Micheál » Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:58 am

The Green enamel sign dates from the 50s or maybe early 60s.

It has a more modern thinner typeface than the yellow "Winnall" ones and no Art Deco border.

Sinead's point about the introduction of letter "h" is relevant. This was to accomodate the introduction of a new technology - Linotype Printing - which, for all of its other benefits, could not reproduce Buailtes (dots over characters to soften their pronuntiation) and some other characters so the "h" was adopted as an alternative. When I started school in 1958, we wrote in the old style. By "senior infants" we had begun using the new style in preparation for "the changeover". So I'm supposing the modern green enamel sign was introduced around that time.

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Re: Street Signage

Postby Sinead » Tue Feb 21, 2017 5:47 pm

See folks, my ould head does have some relevant knowledge at times!

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Re: Street Signage

Postby Strum » Tue Feb 21, 2017 5:58 pm

Interesting posts thanks. What's the Gaeilge for "lower"
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Re: Street Signage

Postby grammer » Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:31 pm

As has been said above
"An interesting subject"
Funny enough I got slagged here :lol: :lol: :lol: when I mentioned the many different and varied manhole covers around the area.
So obviously I should have been looking up instead of down. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Street Signage

Postby Rocker » Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:49 pm

I put up an exam paper for the Primary for 1965 with the old Irish writing but it seems to have disappeared!!
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Re: Street Signage

Postby Strum » Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:22 pm

Rocker wrote:I put up an exam paper for the Primary for 1965 with the old Irish writing but it seems to have disappeared!!



How did you upload it Rocker?
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Re: Street Signage

Postby Micheál » Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:56 pm

grammer wrote:As has been said above
"An interesting subject"
Funny enough I got slagged here :lol: :lol: :lol: when I mentioned the many different and varied manhole covers around the area.
So obviously I should have been looking up instead of down. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Oh come come Grammer.
Those days are long gone!
It's now Peoplehole covers. :D
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Re: Street Signage

Postby Rocker » Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:35 am

Primary Cert 1965 - Arithmetec B - r.jpg
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HID had this Primary Cert exam for 1965 with the old seimhius.
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Re: Street Signage

Postby Sinead » Wed Feb 22, 2017 8:31 am

I can read that paper but remove the accents and put in 'h' and I can't.
Amazing how ingrained things can be in your brain.

Strum: for the life of me I cannot recall an Irish word for 'lower'. I
think Dublin Bus use 'up and down' to describe the decks of the bus.
I am sure google have invented something so try their translation but
don't rely on it. There is possibly a translation dictionary on line,
failing that off to the Lexicon and check their dictionary.

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Re: Street Signage

Postby Micheál » Wed Feb 22, 2017 9:56 am

An bhuill cead agam dull go dtí an leithreas, más é do thoill é?

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Primary Cert 1965 - Arithmetec B - r.jpg


HID had this Primary Cert exam for 1965 with the old seimhius.
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Re: Street Signage

Postby Micheál » Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:01 am

Dominic's Homework ( Paureen Potter) . . .
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"Take the coal out of the bath", says he

Rocker wrote:
Primary Cert 1965 - Arithmetec B - r.jpg


HID had this Primary Cert exam for 1965 with the old seimhius.
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Re: Street Signage

Postby Denis Cromie » Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:12 am

Sinead wrote:I can read that paper but remove the accents and put in 'h' and I can't.
Amazing how ingrained things can be in your brain.

Strum: for the life of me I cannot recall an Irish word for 'lower'. I
think Dublin Bus use 'up and down' to describe the decks of the bus.
I am sure google have invented something so try their translation but
don't rely on it. There is possibly a translation dictionary on line,
failing that off to the Lexicon and check their dictionary.

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I think lower is bun i.e.ar bun na sléibhte (bottom of mountain) or it could be níos ísil (lower than) but just ask Skins he was the brains in our class in the Brothers. ;)
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Re: Street Signage

Postby skins » Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:41 pm

Was it not "íoctar"? (Thinks: "Why didn't I Google it before opening my ugly puss").
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Re: Street Signage

Postby Rocker » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:56 pm

skins wrote:Was it not "íoctar"? (Thinks: "Why didn't I Google it before opening my ugly puss").


Top of the class skins wuu Just googled it and it is íochtar.
Got out my magnifying glass and looked at the sign Strum put above and now that I know the correct word I can make it out on the sign.
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Re: Street Signage

Postby Strum » Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:29 pm

Cheers folks, I'm also told it's níos ísle ?


And a bit more.

There are numerous words depends on context you are using the word...
Leag - Lower
Bun or Cos - Lower end
Then there are words for lower down, Lower lying etc etc
But in context of street signs Iontach is used as it roughly translates to lower part. So lower part of Street involved.



Sorry I asked. :lol:


leag » Lower.
bun » Lower end.
cos » Lower end.
Francach » With lower-case initial
Francach » Usually with lower-case initial
Gaelach » Usually with lower-case initial
giall » Jaw, (lower) cheek.
íochtar » Lower part, bottom.
íochtarach » Lower, low(-lying).
ísealaicme » Lower class, lower order.
ísligh » Lower, depress.
íslitheach » Lowering; descending; abasing, detractive.
ísliú » Lowering, depression, subsidence; descent, decline; abasement.
ísliúchán » (Act of) lowering; reduction.
leagan » Act of lowering.
maolaigh » Lower, flatten.
maolaigh » Lower, depress.
síos » To lower place or station.
stríoc » Strike, lower.
thíos » In lower place.
thíos » In position regarded as lower.
tit » Come down to lower level.
tóin » Lower end.
turnamh » (Act of) lowering, abating, reducing.
uaschuimse » Lower bound.

Good link here...;)


http://www.teanglann.ie/en/fgb/lower_
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Re: Street Signage

Postby Strum » Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:31 pm

Rocker wrote:
skins wrote:Was it not "íoctar"? (Thinks: "Why didn't I Google it before opening my ugly puss").


Top of the class skins wuu Just googled it and it is íochtar.
Got out my magnifying glass and looked at the sign Strum put above and now that I know the correct word I can make it out on the sign.




Ah sorry, you're right Rocker, I forgot to go back and look at the sign. :oops: :D
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