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Postby Rocker » Wed Feb 03, 2016 2:30 am

I was going through some Parish Registers for Kingstown this evening and although the handwriting is clear enough I just couldn't make out the place name listed after a namesake of mine. Then I went to the 1901 census and by rummaging around in the general area I tumbled on Tilly Town, Rathmichael. I had never heard of it. By the 1911 census it was called Tillystown Town.
Here are all the Townlands listed for Rathmichael in 1911
Annaghaskin,Aske,Ballycorus,Ballyman,Barnaslingan,Cork Great,Cork Little,Glebe,Johnstown,Oldconnaught,Phrompstown
Rathmichael,Shanganagh,Shankill,Tillystown Town. I have never heard of a lot of those.
I wonder if they were all miners from the lead mines at Ballycorus and got the name of the town from the Tilly lamps??
They must have been an interesting lot in Tillystown Town two families completed the 1911 census in the Irish script. I'd say that gave the enumerators some work.
Where are all their relatives today ??
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Re: Tilly Town

Postby Zirco » Wed Feb 03, 2016 10:44 am

Rocker wrote:I was going through some Parish Registers for Kingstown this evening and although the handwriting is clear enough I just couldn't make out the place name listed after a namesake of mine. Then I went to the 1901 census and by rummaging around in the general area I tumbled on Tilly Town, Rathmichael. I had never heard of it. By the 1911 census it was called Tillystown Town.
Here are all the Townlands listed for Rathmichael in 1911
Annaghaskin,Aske,Ballycorus,Ballyman,Barnaslingan,Cork Great,Cork Little,Glebe,Johnstown,Oldconnaught,Phrompstown
Rathmichael,Shanganagh,Shankill,Tillystown Town. I have never heard of a lot of those.
I wonder if they were all miners from the lead mines at Ballycorus and got the name of the town from the Tilly lamps??
They must have been an interesting lot in Tillystown Town two families completed the 1911 census in the Irish script. I'd say that gave the enumerators some work.
Where are all their relatives today ??


Interesting find there Rocker. wuu The names are great, especially like Tilly Town and Phrompstown. wuu
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Re: Tilly Town

Postby Rocker » Wed Feb 03, 2016 11:03 pm

I'm reading up about Ballycorus and the lead mine in my search to find out about Tilly Town. this is interesting

Most of the activity at Ballycorus occurred at the smelting and rolling facility constructed by MCI in the valley below the mine workings. This facility received ore not only from Ballycorus but also from MCI's mine at Luganure, in Glendalough, County Wicklow for processing. The ore from Luganure was carried by horse and cart to the railway station at Rathdrum where it was transferred to a train and brought to Shankill. A siding on the Harcourt Street railway line was built near Shankill station to receive the trains. From Shankill the ore was carted to Ballycorus.

In the 1911 census one of the Irish Speakers described his occupation as gatekeeper so maybe Tillytown was at the siding on the Harcourt St line???
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Re: Tilly Town

Postby Rocker » Wed Feb 03, 2016 11:59 pm

Just because my OSI mapviewer wouldn't work today i went off on this tangent. When I got the map to work just now I discovered that Tilly's Town was also called Chantilly and is the present day Shankill town.

http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,725332,721715,11,9
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Re: Tilly Town

Postby Strum » Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:36 am

I was curious about the origin of the word/name Tilly. Not much related to Ireland. dontknow

"Tilly", a poem by James Joyce, featured in Pomes Penyeach.

He travels after a winter sun,
Urging the cattle along a cold red road,
Calling to them, a voice they know,
He drives his beasts above Cabra.

The voice tells them home is warm.
They moo and make brute music with their hoofs.
He drives them with a flowering branch before him,
Smoke pluming their foreheads.

Boor, bond of the herd,
Tonight stretch full by the fire!
I bleed by the black stream
For my torn bough!


Tilly, Tiller, Farmer? dontknow

Tilly, a short form for the plant genus Tillandsia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tillandsia


Bit of trivia for you. :D
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Re: Tilly Town

Postby Zirco » Thu Feb 04, 2016 12:05 pm

Strum wrote:I was curious about the origin of the word/name Tilly. Not much related to Ireland. dontknow
"Tilly", a poem by James Joyce, featured in Pomes Penyeach.
Tilly, Tiller, Farmer? dontknow
Tilly, a short form for the plant genus Tillandsia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tillandsia

Bit of trivia for you. :D


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Re: Tilly Town

Postby Jemser » Thu Feb 04, 2016 1:36 pm

I found this reference to Chantilly House, home of the Tilly Family. The last paragraph contains this information,
"Chantilly House was originally built as the seat of the Tilly family who founded Shankhill town and Rathmichael Parish Church. Originally constructed in the Queen Anne style it was later modified in the Georgian and Victorian periods. For all its grandeur and historic associations it is still a wonderfully liveable house of manageable proportions."

http://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochu ... ty/2557355
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Re: Tilly Town

Postby Sinead » Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:40 pm

Rocker, you are great for finding odd bits.
Tillystown is an area in Shankill, mainly the Lower Road area.
Some years ago there was a Tillystown Residents Association.
For those who are unfamiliar with Shankill, going through the
village from Ballybrack to Bray there is a right turn opposite
Tesco, this starts Lower Road and it then runs left and right
behind the Main Street.
Rathmichael has a very active Local History Association, they
might have more information.

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Re: Tilly Town

Postby Rocker » Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:57 pm

Thanks Sinead,

I sent the Historical Society an e mail the other night so they might come up with a history of the name.
Of course as soon as I said it to a friend he said the Veterinary College of U.C.D used to have a farm at Chantilly (the old Chantilly House) not far from Shankill so the name might have come from that house.

I thought maybe miners lived there and the Tilly was from the miners lamps....a bit too simplistic!

At this stage I'd love to have the history of the place.

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Jemser just read your post.
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Re: Tilly Town

Postby Rocker » Fri Feb 05, 2016 10:42 am

Reading up on Shankill I got a bit of information on Tillytown

Shankill and Rathmichael were the property of Sir Charles Compton William Domvile (1822–1884). Domvile was known as an uncompromising and ruthless landlord, and sought to change the usage of land from the smallholdings that existed at the time of his inheritance of the estate.

The net outcome of Domvile's actions was to halve the population of Shankill and Rathmichael during the 1860s. He evicted over 100 tenants, during a period of grinding poverty, and many were forced to re-negotiate their tenancies at usurious rates. Many of the evicted ended up in the local workhouse, the Rathdown Work Union, which is now the site of Loughlinstown Hospital.

A landowner with holdings adjacent to the Shankill townland, Benjamin Tilly, granted quarter-acre holdings to some of the evicted tenants. Tilly's land straddled the townland border into Shanganagh and thus the new holdings along the Shanganagh Road became known as Tillystown. In 1871, there were over 60 houses, and around the start of the 20th century, this village became known as Shankill proper.
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Re: Tilly Town

Postby bugrock » Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:46 am

Brilliant Rocker. My great uncle Frank and his family moved there early in the century until his death in the 60's
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Re: Tilly Town

Postby Rocker » Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:56 pm

Ha ha Bugrock...some of the best names in the Borough lived in Tilly Town in the 1901 census return

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... illy_Town/

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Re: Tilly Town

Postby bugrock » Fri Feb 05, 2016 1:05 pm

You would know, Rocker. Seeing as how you know the family, I''ll tell you the Uncle and his da all hailed from Louth. Marys Lane I think. That's my da's side. The others moved to Glasthule - Coldwell St and Eden Terrace.
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Re: Tilly Town

Postby Zirco » Fri Feb 05, 2016 3:09 pm

Rocker wrote:Reading up on Shankill I got a bit of information on Tillytown

Shankill and Rathmichael were the property of Sir Charles Compton William Domvile (1822–1884). Domvile was known as an uncompromising and ruthless landlord, and sought to change the usage of land from the smallholdings that existed at the time of his inheritance of the estate.

The net outcome of Domvile's actions was to halve the population of Shankill and Rathmichael during the 1860s. He evicted over 100 tenants, during a period of grinding poverty, and many were forced to re-negotiate their tenancies at usurious rates. Many of the evicted ended up in the local workhouse, the Rathdown Work Union, which is now the site of Loughlinstown Hospital.

A landowner with holdings adjacent to the Shankill townland, Benjamin Tilly, granted quarter-acre holdings to some of the evicted tenants. Tilly's land straddled the townland border into Shanganagh and thus the new holdings along the Shanganagh Road became known as Tillystown. In 1871, there were over 60 houses, and around the start of the 20th century, this village became known as Shankill proper.



Nice research Rocker wuu wuu Learning every day. :D :lol:
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Re: Tilly Town

Postby Micheál » Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:54 pm

The Thunder God went for a ride,
Upon his favourite filly.
"I'm Thor!" he cried,
The horse replied,
"You forgot your thaddle, thilly!"
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Re: Tilly Town

Postby Rocker » Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:45 pm

Micheál wrote:The Thunder God went for a ride,
Upon his favourite filly.
"I'm Thor!" he cried,
The horse replied,
"You forgot your thaddle, thilly!"


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Re: Tilly Town

Postby Zirco » Sat Feb 06, 2016 12:07 pm

Micheál wrote:The Thunder God went for a ride,
Upon his favourite filly.
"I'm Thor!" he cried,
The horse replied,
"You forgot your thaddle, thilly!"


HA HA HA HA Excellent Micheál....lovely bit of whimsy. wuu wuu wuu
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Re: Tilly Town

Postby Rocker » Tue Feb 09, 2016 8:02 pm

One of the people I looked up in the 1901 census for Tilly Town had as his occupation "coal factor". this intrigued me. Found out this explanation today


"The Business of a Coal Factor is to sell by Commission to the Coal
Merchant Coal consigned to him by his Employers at the Place of Shipment.
Any Person may however sell his own Coal without the Intervention of a
Coal Factor."


Don't ask me where the Place of shipment for coal was in Shankill...that is another search...might have been at the railway station.
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Re: Tilly Town

Postby Strum » Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:52 pm

Rocker wrote:Don't ask me where the Place of shipment for coal was in Shankill...that is another search...might have been at the railway station.


You could be close there Rocker. If you head towards Bray along the beach from Shankill there are loads of old broken up small landing piers along there and I'm sure I've seen old, or an old photo/photos of boats moored there. :?:
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