Monkstown Stream

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Re: Monkstown Stream

Postby keeper » Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:44 pm

Good one Michael, That surely is the Shanganagh River flowing into Killiney Bay, it still flows the same route, and your assumption about Brackenbush in my opinion is correct. The river has been culverted under what was Watson's Nursey, they covered it in when they used what was a beautiful place for a dump and is now where Seapoint Rugby is located. We had a fishing club on the river from the sea up to Lehaunstown and it had a good population of brown trout and sea trout nearer the sea.
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Re: Monkstown Stream

Postby Strum » Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:05 pm

I assume that Killynee Church is what is now Ballybrack Church?

It doesn't show the Clonkeen River.
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Re: Monkstown Stream

Postby Navanman » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:28 pm

Keeper,
Not sure what you mean. What river was that? Where did it rise? and what route did it take?

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Re: Monkstown Stream

Postby Strum » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:31 pm

Navanman wrote:Strum
Is there not a Killiney and a Ballybrack church?


I don't know of a Killiney Church NM, and judging by the location of that it looks to be where Ballybrack church is.
Maybe they are one and the same. :?:
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Re: Monkstown Stream

Postby Navanman » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:47 pm

It's in Killiney. Lovely church and there are photos of it on the site.


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Re: Monkstown Stream

Postby grammer » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:59 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Goes to show when we are on topic -we are on topic
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Re: Monkstown Stream

Postby Strum » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:59 pm

Navanman wrote:It's in Killiney. Lovely church and there are photos of it on the site.


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Re: Monkstown Stream

Postby Micheál » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:04 pm

Heres an extract for a version of a Rocques Map I had not seen before now (or at least then) we had Monkstown Bridge!
(And no indication of la petite riviere de Monsieur Michelle Bruyon)

And what the heck were the Three Churls at present-day Summerhill?

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Re: Monkstown Stream

Postby Gulliver » Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:06 pm

Micheál
This is an enlargement from your map
It shows that the Monkstown Stream flowed in front of the Purty Kitchen.
The whole length of the stream is in a valley from Monkstown Bridge to the sea, and the hills on the right of the river are "The Hill". The river runs very close to The Hill
Yep, the Ballinclea stream seems to be missing
I will try superimposing it on top of a satellite view and see what it says

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Re: Monkstown Stream

Postby Gulliver » Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:14 pm

The more usual Roques Map shows both streams.
"The New Quay" shown is the Coal Quay
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Re: Monkstown Stream

Postby Micheál » Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:48 pm

Gulliver wrote: . . . .
It shows that the Monkstown Stream flowed in front of the Purty Kitchen.
The whole length of the stream is in a valley from Monkstown Bridge to the sea, and the hills on the right of the river are "The Hill".



And its culverted under the Top Hat too :D
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Re: Monkstown Stream

Postby keeper » Sat Jun 22, 2013 9:33 pm

Navanman ! Shanganagh River runs alongside Commons Road in Loughlinstown, under The Ballybrack /Shankill road and on to the sea. It really all becomes one river at Cherrywood, it is a combination of a lot of streams, one comes down the Brides Glen at Cherrywood Road, another comes down from Carrickmines/Brennanstown Road, roughly taking the same route as the old Harcourt Street railway through Lehaunstown, another is Grammer's Clonkeen Stream, there may be one more in the mix, the main source is I believe is Three Rock Mountain.
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Re: Monkstown Stream

Postby Rocker » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:39 pm

That's some map Micheál,

Only yesterday we were talking about Booterstown being called Butterstown..we always pronounced it that way.
Sandycove is Sandygo...never heard it called that.
Ballybrack could be Brackens town...Baile na Bracken then reanglicised to Ballybrack . Going for another look.
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Re: Monkstown Stream

Postby grammer » Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:05 am

Great info gang
great map Gulliver -no sign of my grannies cottage :cry: :cry: :cry:
Branken -yes -there is an estate in Ballybrack called Brackenbush

yis are on the ball-- :lol:
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Re: Monkstown Stream

Postby grammer » Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:08 am

keeper wrote:Navanman ! Shanganagh River runs alongside Commons Road in Loughlinstown, under The Ballybrack /Shankill road and on to the sea. It really all becomes one river at Cherrywood, it is a combination of a lot of streams, one comes down the Brides Glen at Cherrywood Road, another comes down from Carrickmines/Brennanstown Road, roughly taking the same route as the old Harcourt Street railway through Lehaunstown, another is Grammer's Clonkeen Stream, there may be one more in the mix, the main source is I believe is Three Rock Mountain.

agree with you keeper-must get off me ass or get on me ass and go down and take some photos :lol: :lol:
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Re: Monkstown Stream

Postby Jemser » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:43 pm

As far as Ballybrack is concerned, my understanding of the name was that it came from An Baile Breac, The Speckled Town. Apparently there was a right of way through the Killiney Golf Links area to Ballybrack and it was marked with white stones, hence the Speckled Way. This became Ballybrack, the locals used to go to Mass in old Ballybrack Church and use the right of way to get there, but I'm sure sombody else will have another explanation.
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Re: Monkstown Stream

Postby Micheál » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:45 pm

Jemser's recent encounter with US wildlife has given me an idea that might help detect the exact route of our darn stream. Never mind those rubber ducks - here's a litte guy I got introduced to a while back in Miami - lets drop him in at St Patricks or the Golf Course and see where he pops up -

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Re: Monkstown Stream

Postby keeper » Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:48 pm

You are correct Jemser, that right of way brings you out to Glenalua Road in Killiney from Church Road. The Golf Club tried to do away with it several times but failed, as far as I know it can still be used, would like to know if that's still the case, anyone know ?
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Re: Monkstown Stream

Postby Strum » Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:12 am

keeper wrote: as far as I know it can still be used, would like to know if that's still the case, anyone know ?



I walked through it about two years ago with the Dogs coming back from Killiney Hill and the Golfers didn't say anything but they were NOT happy about it. :D


Now I'm not sure about this but I think there is an old by-law stating that there is a public or "common" walk through there. Something to do with the council maybe :?:
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Re: Monkstown Stream

Postby grammer » Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:27 am

Don't bother Micháel
look what happened to this rubber duck when it was put in the stream -look where it ended up- :shock: :shock:
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Re: Monkstown Stream

Postby Jemser » Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:32 pm

Grammer you are Quackers :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Monkstown Stream

Postby Strum » Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:40 pm

:lol:
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Re: Monkstown Stream

Postby keeper » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:25 pm

Thanks Strum for info about the right of way on Killiney Golf Course, Intending to test it out again soon, we're a long long from Monkstown , better get back on topic or Michael will be mad !!!!
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Re: Monkstown Stream

Postby Navanman » Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:42 pm

:lol: :lol: Poor Micheál getting a real hard time of it these days.


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Re: Monkstown Stream

Postby Gulliver » Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:48 pm

Next time I am in a rubber duck shop, I'll buy some, hopefully of two different types or colours. I'll toss one type into the open part of the Monkstown stream, and the other type into the open part of the Ballinclea stream - then rush down to the seafront to see if they come out, and where. Come to think of it, this is not the best time for it as the water is very low - maybe I'll put it off until about November. Must also make sure to do it at low tide - that way, we'll have a better chance of locating them at the end.
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