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Deansgrange Cemetery

PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:15 pm
by onzlo
Hi there

Does anyone know would I go about searching for a family grave in Deansgrange. Is there a facility to search for the grave or does the cemetery hold records on the graves and those buried in them? Any help would be gratefully appreciated.

Onzlo

Re: Deansgrange Cemetery

PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:22 pm
by Strum
Welcome to the site Onzlo. :D

There "were" some people here with great knowledge of exactly what you're asking but only time will tell if they see this post.
As far as I can remember yes the graveyard has records etc etc at the main gate. I think the peson to talk to is named Ray.
We had a topic here before about the Graveyard but it "disappeared" a while back. Good luck.

Re: Deansgrange Cemetery

PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:44 pm
by Sinead
If you have a name and date of death they can search the handwritten books. The date is important.

Sinead

Re: Deansgrange Cemetery

PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:30 pm
by ALAN-R
Onzlo,
The person you need to speak to is " Jay ", used to work up there, don't know if he still does,
but he has published a book about the place, really good.
he is a cousin of mine and i am sure if you send him a private message he will reply.
good luck
Alan

Re: Deansgrange Cemetery

PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:46 pm
by LiamK
As best I recall the records of the Deansgrange burials was microfilmed and is available to view at the Library in Pearse St. Liam

Re: Deansgrange Cemetery

PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:59 pm
by Holla
LiamK wrote:As best I recall the records of the Deansgrange burials was microfilmed and is available to view at the Library in Pearse St. Liam


Thats correct liam I recently viewed records for Deansgrange in the pearse street library you need to bring ID with you and you can then join and get to use the readers room the records are clear and give name address occupation date of death / burial and the old records give name of person who arranged the purchase of the grave the newer records give the name of the undertaker i think the records go from mid 1800s to around 1972

Re: Deansgrange Cemetery

PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:08 pm
by onzlo
Thanks very much. Gives me something to start with anyway. Problem is I'm not sure he is even buried there as most of the rest of his family are buried in Glasnevin. Seems logical though as he died in 1913 while at Carriglea Industrial School.

Re: Deansgrange Cemetery

PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 8:46 pm
by Jay
Hi Onzlo, I found where exactly Christopher is buried, 80 – U – North, this is an un-purchased grave and it would seem that it may have been used as a 'forth class' grave, where the cemetery authorities would bury people who could not afford to buy their own plot. I'm not 100% about this though as the first two are definitely related.

Christopher's mother is not in this grave and you would need D.O.D. in order to find it that is if she's buried in the cemetery. This is one of my first replies in a while as you may well have noticed. I don't find the time to add to the forum as readily since the birth of my Daughter 10 months ago. The topic 'Up in Deansgrange Cemetery' hasn't disappeared and can be used by any member of this Forum.

The very best of luck with your search Onzlo.

The burials are listed as follows.

Bridget Doyle (1 year)
RC, Child of William Doyle
Kingstown
Died 3 June 1873

Charlotte Doyle (2 months)
RC, Child of William Doyle
3 Kelly’s Ave
Kingstown
Died 23 November 1887

Christopher Barlow (10 yrs and 6 months)
RC, inmate of Industrial School Carriglea
Died 20 December 1913

Simon Mulligan (59 years)
RC, Stonecutter, Widower,
17 Gloucester Place
Dublin
Died 25 November 1928

Re: Deansgrange Cemetery

PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:02 pm
by onzlo
Jay

Thank you so much for the information. That's just brilliant. Was more out of hope that I thought the mother may have been buried with him. She seems to have disappeared into thin air. Can hardly blame her. Her husband died in 1912 and she couldn't look after the two eldest boys so they were put into the school. Then the youngest of the two died in the school in 1913. Varying reports on this. Death cert says pneumonia, family lore says he was thrown down some stairs. And her youngest child then died in 1914. And since then I can find no trace of her. No shock he is in a 4th class grave. No expense spared by the Christian Brothers. Get the feeling his family didn't even know he'd died till after he was buried as they had a plot in Glasnevin that his dad was buried in the year before.

Know what you mean about not having the time. My wee boy just had his first birthday and I'm just getting back into the research in a proper fashion. Who'd have thought they'd take up so much time. :)

Can't thank you enough for the information. My father in law (Christopher's nephew who I am researching for) will be over the moon.

All the best and if I need you again will give you a shout. :)

Onzlo

Re: Deansgrange Cemetery

PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:32 am
by ALAN-R
Onzlo,
Told you the lad was a gud'un didn't i,
Jay,
Congrats on the birth of your daughter ( belatedly),
was over in April , didn't have much time for anything, will catch up soon.
All the best.
Alan

Re: Deansgrange Cemetery

PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:43 pm
by Gulliver
onzlo wrote:Hi there

Does anyone know would I go about searching for a family grave in Deansgrange. Is there a facility to search for the grave or does the cemetery hold records on the graves and those buried in them? Any help would be gratefully appreciated.

Onzlo


The grave inscriptions of Deansgrange have been documented by Barry O Connor (Genealogical Society of Ireland) in 5 volumes and are available for sale at www.familyhistory.ie. They are available in some local libraries. Many other Dublin graveyards are similarly documented. These grave inscriptions are taken from the headstones and may show more information than the register at the graveyard.

Re: Deansgrange Cemetery

PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 6:35 pm
by Strum
Jay wrote:The topic 'Up in Deansgrange Cemetery' hasn't disappeared and can be used by any member of this Forum.



Sorry, and thanks Jay, I couldn't find it. It's here...viewtopic.php?f=59&t=1041


That's a sad and tragic family history Onzlo. :|

Re: Deansgrange Cemetery

PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:43 pm
by Holla
perhaps jay or anyone can help me with this== how do i find out how many people are buired in the one grave ,found two members of the one family in the one plot north Deansgrange but i would believe this to be an unpurchased grave veiwed them on microfilm in pearse st dates 1892 gave no index to say the grave was reopened in 1927 for another family member.

Re: Deansgrange Cemetery

PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:54 pm
by grammer
I was gonna ask the same question Holla :D :D :D :D :D
I know there are three in a family grave -so how to check it out from there, I'd be interested to know

Re: Deansgrange Cemetery

PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:31 am
by Jay
Hi Guys!

As well has having the register books detailing the individual interments, the cemetery also hold books detailing every individual plot. They usually only list the interment record numbers buried in each plot. For example: 2199, 34464, 76555.
The researcher would then go back to the interment books and find the details of each of the burials. These searches can sometimes throw light on young children not previously known and who might not necessarily be on the inscription, so don't be shocked to find out more than you might expect.


Jay

Re: Deansgrange Cemetery

PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:29 am
by Holla
Thats great jay thanks for the info,the grave i looked up had no indexing or numbers on it to say a second burial had taken place where could i look at these interment records ? are they on view to joe soaps like myself :)

Re: Deansgrange Cemetery

PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:28 pm
by grammer
Thanks for the info Jay --

Re: Deansgrange Cemetery

PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:05 pm
by Jay
Holla
Second or subsequent burials would only be found in the books that list the burial Plots and not those in the list of interments for each individual. You would have to ask the cemetery to search the grave number to see if anyone else is buried in that grave.

If anyone has called to the cemetery recently, they will know that the staff are up to their eyeballs just trying to keep up with day to day running of both Dean's Grange and Shanganagh Cemeteries, and they have little time to do even the simpliest of searches, let alone how many are buried in each grave.
As LiamK and yourself, Holla, have rightly said the National Library and Pearse Street hold the same records on microfilm, and once you use these facilities a few times they are a very useful tool to aid research.
Pearse Street would be my favourite place to search, as there isn’t as much paperwork in requesting files elsewhere, and it’s not as busy so you can search at your own leisure.

Re: Deansgrange Cemetery

PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:15 am
by grammer
Thanks once again Jay for the information
I have some family grave (from both sides ) reciepts and numbers -dating way back
so as curiosity has killed the cat on many occasions -will take the trip into Pearse St.
thanks again .

Ps -any truth in the rumour that Deans Grange will be introducing a research fee in the near future ???????

Re: Deansgrange Cemetery

PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:29 am
by Holla
Thanks jay and I agree pearse street is the better place to go for info the staff are very helpful.

Re: Deansgrange Cemetery

PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:50 pm
by Jay
Not sure about the search fee rumour Grammer. I was talking to some of the staff recently and they were telling me they can't cope with requests for information and that they have ceased them altogether, I would presume that would be the same with or without a fee.

Personally I feel the introduction of a modest fee would be a good thing if it guaranteed information on someone buried there. I would love to be the person doing the research too... Research is easy when you have the right details, name, and date of death. It can be more difficult when the information is sketchy and that is where they don’t have the time to search.

I do some searches through the following link, you may be aware of its existence? http://www.igp-web.com/igparchives/ire/ ... arkers.htm

To tell the truth, I have copied the text from each list into one word document and I search that way, it’s much easier. Every time they add a new list of inscriptions I copy and add them to that list.

Re: Deansgrange Cemetery

PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:36 pm
by grammer
Hi Jay
thanks for the link -I did'nt have it.
I do some searches through the following link, you may be aware of its existence? http://www.igp-web.com/igparchives/ire/ ... arkers.htm

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I have to say the guys working in Deansgrange are nice guys and very helpful and go out of their way to help .

Re: Deansgrange Cemetery

PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:24 pm
by Holla
If you do happen to view the burials in Deangrange it makes intersting reading in my search I came across several burials for unidentified bodys washed up on the local beaches ,another burial in the late 1800s states "unidentified newborn infant girl found stradbrook blackrock"the occupations were interesting ,lamp lighter,blacksmith,light house keepers ,footman, dairymaid, servant and "gentleman"

Re: Deansgrange Cemetery

PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:37 am
by grammer
:D :D :D
just wondering Holla
light house keepers ,footman, dairymaid, servant and "gentleman"

are we related ????????? :D :D :D :D

Re: Deansgrange Cemetery

PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:17 pm
by Holla
grammer wrote::D :D :D
just wondering Holla
light house keepers ,footman, dairymaid, servant and "gentleman"

are we related ????????? :D :D :D :D


Dont know grammer but my guess is our ancestors must have been at the same hoolies in sallynoggin or kingstown at some stage of their lives :D :D