The Daonchartlann - The Genealogical Society of Ireland

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Re: The Daonchartlann - The Genealogical Society of Ireland

Postby Toss » Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:10 am

Micheál wrote:
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. . . the booklet . . . is now available online as a pdf
http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/trip/index.html and download the "Tracing your ancestors" .pdf

Hmm - that's a very incestuous-looking family tree on the cover. Anyone for banjo lessons?


Bit like the RTE guide so ;)
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Re: The Daonchartlann - The Genealogical Society of Ireland

Postby Rocker » Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:47 pm

Derek Mooney was recording his Genealogy Roadshow at Powerscourt House today and I had the priviledge of assisting at the manning of the Society desk. I shouldn't say it but, we had a great day and met crowds of people all with amazing tales to tell.
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Re: The Daonchartlann - The Genealogical Society of Ireland

Postby Navanman » Sat Mar 02, 2013 9:08 pm

Rocker wrote:....... I shouldn't say it but, we had a great day and met crowds of people all with amazing tales to tell.


Of course you should say if you had a good day. I know a girl that was at the one in Slane and she said the TV program does not do the day justice. Likewise she said there were just so many interesting stories - way too many to tell in a short program.

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Re: The Daonchartlann - The Genealogical Society of Ireland

Postby Gulliver » Wed Oct 16, 2013 4:53 pm

Just watching the Senate in which legislation drafted by The Genealogical Society of Ireland is being introduced to allow for the release of the 1926 census. A very good example of the use of the Senate. Let's hope it also gets through the Dail when it is presented to them.
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Re: The Daonchartlann - The Genealogical Society of Ireland

Postby Rocker » Thu Oct 17, 2013 12:42 am

Thats marvellous news Gulliver. I would love to have that 1926 census released. We found out so much family info in the 1901 and 1911 ones.
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Re: The Daonchartlann - The Genealogical Society of Ireland

Postby william » Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:31 am

Great news Gulliver. Hope it gets through all the stages required.
Like Rocker I look forward to the release of the 1926 Census information.
It is the first census after WW1 and will provide family historians with great information on the effect the war may have had on their families here in Ireland.
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Re: The Daonchartlann - The Genealogical Society of Ireland

Postby Gulliver » Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:47 am

After a long debate, the senate voted against the proposal.

It is interesting (and sad) to see democracy in action. Labhras O Murchu introduced the proposal, and credited it to the Genealogical Soc. Most of the speakers who contributed were independent, and virtually all of those were in favour. Eamon Coughlan (yes, the runner, aka "Chairman of the Boards") came in on the Govt side with a prepared script using arguments about the cost, and the confidentiality issues. At any time there were no more than about 10 senators present - but when a vote was called, they all appeared (from the bar?) and voted it down. (despite the fact that it was in the FG manifesto)

It's not the end of the campaign, however, and other routes will be tried to achieve the result.
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Re: The Daonchartlann - The Genealogical Society of Ireland

Postby Jemser » Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:17 pm

Gulliver, that is a shame, it would have been great to view the '26 Census. Hopefully the campaign will be successful in the future. By the way do you know the numbers involved in the vote? Were there many against the proposal?
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Re: The Daonchartlann - The Genealogical Society of Ireland

Postby Micheál » Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:46 pm

Extract from the debate . . .

Fearghal Quinn: "I had the pleasure of having a mother-in-law who died almost two years ago at the age of almost 100"

Jillian van Turnhout: "What a choice of words".

Fearghal Quinn: "Not the pleasure of her dying. I am sorry - I worded that incorrectly. My mother-in-law died almost two years ago, but I had the pleasure of her company for many years".
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Re: The Daonchartlann - The Genealogical Society of Ireland

Postby Micheál » Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:58 pm

Votes on the night

For -
Sean Barrett
Thomas Byrne
Mark Daly
Fidelma Healy Eames
James Heffernan
Terry Leyden
Marc MacSharry
Paschal Mooney
Trevor Ó Clochartaigh
Labhrás Ó Murchú
Darragh O'Brien
Averil Power
Feargal Quinn
Jillian van Turnhout

Against -
Ivana Bacik
Terry Brennan
Colm Burke
Deirdre Clune
Eamonn Coghlan
Paul Coghlan
Michael Comiskey
Martin Conway
Maurice Cummins
Jim D'Arcy
Michael D'Arcy
John Gilroy
Imelda Henry
Lorraine Higgins
Caít Keane
John Kelly
Denis Landy
Marie Maloney
Mary Moran
Tony Mulcahy
Michael Mullins
Hildegarde Naughton
Catherine Noone
Susan O'Keeffe
Pat O'Neill
Tom Shehan
John Whelan
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Re: The Daonchartlann - The Genealogical Society of Ireland

Postby Micheál » Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:02 pm

Now be honest - how many of those names . . . .

do you know?
do you know how they came to be Senators?
have you ever even heard of?
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Re: The Daonchartlann - The Genealogical Society of Ireland

Postby Micheál » Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:10 pm

Just for the record . . . . . .

I have removed an earlier comment from my post outlining how Senators voted. I was mistaken in commenting that Sinn Fein had opposed the Bill. In fact they spoke in support (upholding the 100 year rule generally but agreeing that 1926 was exceptional) and voted for it.

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Re: The Daonchartlann - The Genealogical Society of Ireland

Postby Micheál » Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:13 pm

Lessons learned #1
If you intend to initiate legislation through the Senate, be sure to mobilise more than 12 to support it.
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Re: The Daonchartlann - The Genealogical Society of Ireland

Postby Gulliver » Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:04 pm

Lesson no 1, Micheál is use the senate debate to find out the arguments and defences which will be used by government - and prepare the complete response for each one of those arguments for use when the real campaign begins
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Re: The Daonchartlann - The Genealogical Society of Ireland

Postby Toss » Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:30 pm

Lesson No 2, never mistake education for intelligence.
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Re: The Daonchartlann - The Genealogical Society of Ireland

Postby Micheál » Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:32 pm

To be honest guys, even as a long- time genealogist (I actually used the paper Census returns for 01 & 11 in the Four Courts) I still have some sympathy for the 'confidentality' argument. Its an indisputable fact that the 1926 Census was taken up on the basis of (indefinite) confidentiality. My head tells me the CSO are not being that unreasonable in wishing to uphold the integrity of their position of trust with the public.

But my heart still hopes we'll get to see the '26 returns before 2026
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Re: The Daonchartlann - The Genealogical Society of Ireland

Postby Rocker » Sat Apr 26, 2014 4:35 pm

There is a load of very good info on the Genealogical Society website...shame on me for not knowing enough about it. Have a look at the aliens list 1914 to 1922...you may not have any ancestors on it but, it is a marvellous piece of social history of the time. The notes kept by the Dublin Metropolitan Police were poignant in some cases.

http://www.familyhistory.ie/docs/aliens/Aliens.pdf
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