The Seven Rejocies of Mary

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The Seven Rejocies of Mary

Postby glauco » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:34 pm

Hello everybody,
So this is Christmas. And I'm trying to understand some traditional irish carols.

A lot of disarray about this christmas carol: the seven rejocies of mary..... :-x

I found gaelic lyrics:

SEACHT NDOLAS NA MAIGHDINE MUIRRE
(Seven Sorrows of Mary)

An chead dolas do bhi ar an maighdean
Nu air a toiriodh a leanbh
Caipini dubha air, 's na Guidaigh a ghreadadh

An triu dolas do bhi ar an Maighdean
Nu air a toiriodh a leanbh
E ar an grois cheasta, 's na tairni geara a ghearradh

CHORUS:

Aililiu o Iosa, ailiui is tu mo leanbh
Aililiu o Iosa, is tu ri geal na bhFlaitheas


An ceathru dolas do bhi ar an Maighdean
Nu air a toiriodh a leanbh
E ar chrann na croise ag, gail na ngrasta dar n-anam

CHORUS:

An seu dolas do bhi ar an Maighdean
Nu air a toiriodh a leanbh
E 'na hucht gleigeal 's e sinte fuar marbh

CHORUS:



But.....is the right english translation this below?


1.The very first joy that Mary had,
It was the joy of one
To see her blessed Jesus
When He was first her Son
When He was first her Son.

Chorus
When He was Her first Son, Good Lord;
And happy may we be,
Praise Father, Son, and Holy Ghost
To all eternity

2.The next good joy that Mary had,
It was the joy of two
To see her own son Jesus,
To make the lame to go.
To make the lame to go. Chorus

3.The next good joy that Mary had,
It was the joy of three
To see her own son Jesus,
To make the blind to see.
To make the blind to see. Chorus

4.The next good joy that Mary had,
It was the joy of four
To see her own son Jesus,
To read the Bible o'er.
To read the Bible o'er. Chorus

5.The next good joy that Mary had,
It was the joy of five
To see her own son Jesus,
To bring the dead alive.
To bring the dead alive. Chorus

6.The next good joy that Mary had,
It was the joy of six
To see her own son Jesus,
Upon the Crucifix.
Upon the Crucifix. Chorus

7.The next good joy that Mary had,
It was the joy of seven
To see her own son Jesus,
To wear the crown of Heaven
To wear the crown of Heaven Chorus

Chorus

Praise God in the wilderness,
And glory by
Father, Son and the Holy Ghost
Through all eternity.

1.Or: 'Rise from' the Crucifix. Return


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Re: the seven rejocies of mary

Postby jordo » Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:11 pm

Sorry Glauco but my Irish would be no where near good enough for this but my boss is fluent and when I return to work in a day or so I will ask him to translate it for you.

On the title alone I would not be familiar with the word 'dolus' but some of the others might be familiar with the song so hopefully it will gnerate some results. In my opinion the bit of Irish I know would translate the title as follows The 7 ????? of the Virgin Mary. There is a reference to the '7 joys of Mary' and the '7 sorrows of Mary' throughout Catholic teachings here in Ireland.The English translation of the title as per your post reads The Seven Sorrows of Mary yet the Irish wording would appear to refer to happy events as does obviously the English wording.

The best of luck with your search.
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Re: the seven rejocies of mary

Postby Strum » Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:58 pm

Sorry Glauco, my Irish is dreadful now so I hope Jordo's boss can translate it for you.
I never heard the tune either.
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Re: the seven rejocies of mary

Postby glauco » Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:06 am

Ah, ok...however thanks both. :D

@jordo
yeh, "sorrows" is wrong. I found more other news about, and I didn't know that two stories exist: "sorrows of Mary" and "joys of Mary". Surely this song refers to "the joys", as you wrote in your post.
I hope you could ask to your boss the right translation, because my irish is not existing. :D :D
So I could publish the right english translation in my website.
see you soon!
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Re: the seven rejocies of mary

Postby Rocker » Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:24 am

I was looking for a topic to put my ravings in so chose this one!

While I was up in the attic looking for the song book with the National Anthem in it...I found this little Gem

"A Cathechism of Catholic Doctrine" published by M.H Gill & Son with an Imprimatur by Joannes Carolus...remember him?
there are 443 questions and answers starting with "Who made the world" answer "God made the world" and sad or funny to say I know them all by rote but, we never questioned the meaning.

I brought this to the office about 20 years ago and the young colleagues fell around laughing to think that is how we learned about the Roman Catholic religion...but, here I am and really thats all I know!

I don't want to slag the religion just the method of teaching!!!!

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Re: the seven rejocies of mary

Postby Navanman » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:04 am

I had that as well. Was pulling my house apart a couple of years ahgo to show it to my daughter.

Who made the World? - God made the world
Who is God? - God is the .....

You had to learn it off word for word for your First Holy Communion.


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Re: the seven rejocies of mary

Postby Micheál » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:39 am

Navanman

It was for the "Confo"

http://www.proecclesia.com/penny%20catechism/index.htm
When I made mine, all the guys in the class were "bricking it" in anticipation of the Bishop, as was the ritual, moving through the aisles picking boys at random (they were good at that) and confronting them with something like
"what are the Seven deadly sins" etc. (answers on a postcard . . )
or
What were the chief sufferings of Christ?

All except me. I had inside information (gleaned as an Alterboy) and was assured that an exception was being made that year because St Patrick's was being refurbished for its upcoming centenary (?) and what with the whole inside being festooned with scaffolding, the bishop had no intention of having his lovely garb snared on any of the poles ( or other such sufferings) and besides, he couldn't squeeze around them in many places. And the scaffolding also prevented any orderly procession of boys to the bishop. Result - we all got the "licence" withou having to sit the test.

I neglected to mention this piece of intelligence to my fellow pupils and really enjoyed the run- up to the event.
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Re: the seven rejocies of mary

Postby Micheál » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:56 am

Before any of you wags suggest the bishop could have limbo-danced his way under the poles, I've got this covered -

64. What do you mean by Limbo?
By Limbo I mean a place of rest, where the souls of the just who died before Christ were detained.

65. Why were the souls of the just detained in Limbo?
The souls of the just were detained in Limbo because they could not go up to the kingdom of heaven till Christ had opened it for them

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Re: the seven rejocies of mary

Postby Rocker » Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:51 pm

Micheál,

Your book is slightly different. This little green one is more hard hitting.

Number 64 is What other evil effects has mortal sin and 65.Where do they go who die in mortal sin.

Love the story about the "confo". No such luck in St John the Baptist...I got my question and the slap on the cheek!!
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Re: the seven rejocies of mary

Postby Navanman » Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:10 pm

So technically Micheál you are not confirmed :D :D :D

What is Confirmation by the way



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Re: the seven rejocies of mary

Postby bugrock » Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:33 pm

From memory, that little book was the Catechism. We learned it off like parrots. I remember it most because I crayoned in all the pictures.
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Re: the seven rejocies of mary

Postby Micheál » Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:57 pm

Navanman wrote: . . . . What is Confirmation by the way
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I cant remember the answer to that one. Must be because the pressure was off to learn them.

and no, I suppose I was never done proper - not even a slap on (any four) cheeks.
Probably renders me ineligible for the Papacy too (unless I do a late entry to Hitler Youth)

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Re: The Seven Rejocies of Mary

Postby Strum » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:13 pm

Yiz are gas. :D
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Re: The Seven Rejocies of Mary

Postby bugrock » Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:36 pm

Confirmation made us soldiers of God and the priests showed us their weapons.
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Re: The Seven Rejocies of Mary

Postby Snowhite » Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:14 pm

bugrock0 wrote:Confirmation made us soldiers of God and the priests showed us their weapons.



Wont ask you to explain that Bugrock.....not sure I want to know :?
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