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Re: Moan of the Month

Postby Toss » Sat Dec 24, 2016 11:42 pm

Navanman wrote:Keeper and JW that is dreadful. Thankfully it has never happened to us. We have 2 dogs, a gun and a long bow and I would gladly use the latter 2 and pay the consequences.
Not the best idea I know - but I would have no problem.

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Re: Moan of the Month

Postby Rocker » Sun Jan 08, 2017 4:10 pm

I am listening day after day about the problems with the health service, queues, A&E, etc. Just after Christmas a friend had a particular problem. We went to the GP who did not feel able to remedy the problem. They wrote a specific letter for the A&E dept of St Michaels. When we got there the friend was very well treated but, was taken for bloods an E.C.G and several more tests but eventually (maybe three hours later) the doctor on duty did not think the problem needed his intervention.
My big question is why do all those unnecessary tests ?waste their time and ours when the GP's letter was clear, the problem had been identified, the patient known to the G.P, no history of heart problems, no blood test issues??
People are waiting on lists for E.C.G's and they need them!
I just felt it was a waste of very expensive resources.
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Re: Moan of the Month

Postby Toss » Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:07 pm

Rocker wrote:I am listening day after day about the problems with the health service, queues, A&E, etc. Just after Christmas a friend had a particular problem. We went to the GP who did not feel able to remedy the problem. They wrote a specific letter for the A&E dept of St Michaels. When we got there the friend was very well treated but, was taken for bloods an E.C.G and several more tests but eventually (maybe three hours later) the doctor on duty did not think the problem needed his intervention.
My big question is why do all those unnecessary tests ?waste their time and ours when the GP's letter was clear, the problem had been identified, the patient known to the G.P, no history of heart problems, no blood test issues??
People are waiting on lists for E.C.G's and they need them!
I just felt it was a waste of very expensive resources.


The answer is simple ... it feeds the system and it generates work ..... its a long time since the patient was a consideration in the health service, its all about work protocols / job creation and keeping the que's full. Ask why the ECG machine and other scanning units are not used 24/7 in order to reduce waiting lists and you will soon find out why the whole system is a joke BangHead

I recently had to address an ongoing / recurring health problem and my usual GP was not available, so I went to another GP that I use on such occasions as a back up.

Following a quick chat and a once over, he suggested that I should have a scan ........ and he told me that my choice was to go to the hospital and join a six month waithing list OR head to a private clinic !!! so I asked about the second option and was gleefully told that I could have the scan done privately for about a €150 and the results would be out within a couple of days as opposed to waiting six months.

Needless to say, in my situation as I was worried about my health (having lost two close friends recently), I went with the private clinic option.
I called them and got an appointment within days and down I went on a saturday morning early December. As I sat in the plush waiting room, I heard the receptionist tell a phone caller that she could offer her an appointment for tomorrow night at 7.20pm.

I thought there must be some mistake as this was Saturday and who would be working on a Sunday dontknow so when the phone call was over, I made small chat with the scretary and asked were they busy ? ....she said they are going 24/7 and there you have it ..... our hospitals are so unflexible, unionised and regimental that THEY are creating work for private clinics and in doing so they are creating and funding another industry :o its the greatest scam on earth. Get the public to pay taxes to fund a public health service and then set up that service to be so choc a bloc that it create waiting lists that then forces the panicked patients to pay a private operators for the service it already pays its taxes for BangHead BangHead BangHead BangHead

So basically the pubic are being forced/conned into paying twice and the second time they pay it is to a private operator ...... and that private operator is paying / offering more to that same doctors, nurses and consultants who were trained and educated in order to serve the same public are now being offered more money to do it in a private setting and not work for the public hospitals
wuu wuu wuu wuu wuu more job creation and more taxes and more MONEY for the Government.
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Re: Moan of the Month

Postby jwdalk » Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:29 pm

Toss, you are right, these places are flat out, 24/7. We have some equipment in an MRI room in a private clinic, (maybe the same one), and the only time we could get in to service it last year was Sunday December 18th, the only day it was closed for essential maintenace on the MRI itself.
Also Rocker, we live in a litigious society. I think the hospital were keeping their ass covered, if anything happened and it went to court they could show that they had taken all reasonable precautions. I think that in general GP's are getting very fast to refer patients to consultants for the same reason.
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Re: Moan of the Month

Postby Sinead » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:06 pm

The private hospitals/clinics have to make a profit. All equipment is used to the maximum. Staff
are paid if there are patients/users. General hospitals are funded whether or not they deal with
patients.
The trolley situation goes back years to the days of Barry Desmond and the policy of closing hospitals. No
government has ever looked at the demographics of our population and assessed the needs. When you go
into a hospital these days the blast of heat would kill you - germ breeding conditions. There are no controls
on anything but lots of suits both male and female walking around with clip boards.

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Re: Moan of the Month

Postby grammer » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:49 pm

Sinead wrote
There are no controls
on anything but lots of suits both male and female walking around with clip boards.

Totally agree-
St. Vincent's Hosp.is busier than Dublin Airport (for the suits and folder brigade that is)
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Re: Moan of the Month

Postby Toss » Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:12 am

The public hospital treatment delays could be seen as a way of driving the privatisation of health care (ie the american model) by the state ....... it could be suggested that the health system has been redesigned over the years in order to come to a standstill and open the door to alternative providers.

If you follow the money, the chances are it will be the ever growing private health care provision that is making all the profit.

None of this is new as Sinead says, the state has allowed it develop over decades. As it stands now, the Health Service Executive (HSE) manages the delivery of the entire health service as a single national entity, employing in the region of 120,000 staff. There are 47 acute public hospitals, 19 private and 22 voluntary hospitals in the country. Because of this, healthcare in Ireland has become a major industry. ...€€€€€€€€€€€€

The old expression 'I can't afford to be sick' could soon be back in vogue for your children and grand children if the state continues to push private health care ...... nah, it could never happen eh? could it?
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Re: Moan of the Month

Postby grammer » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:59 pm

I see our minister for children is importing 70 minors from the Calais camp into the country=
I wonder how many of these (minors) will in fact be 17 or older-?
It's gonna cost millions -
Do we not have enough young messers of our own ????????????

That means the money will be diverted from other important issues-----

We're going further down the tubes -I tell you-- dontknow dontknow dontknow dontknow
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Re: Moan of the Month

Postby Toss » Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:18 pm

grammer wrote:I see our minister for children is importing 70 minors from the Calais camp into the country


I would happily take 7000 if we could send 7000 of our specialist consultants the other way. :lol:

Seriously ... 70 is nothing, our problem is the hand wringers that will be all leeching off the event. :lol:
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Re: Moan of the Month

Postby Strum » Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:50 pm

Toss wrote:Seriously ... 70 is nothing,




Until they multiply.
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Re: Moan of the Month

Postby Toss » Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:58 pm

Strum wrote:
Toss wrote:Seriously ... 70 is nothing,

Until they multiply.


:lol: :lol: :lol: just like us ..... tbh honest I have no issue with us taking kids from a situation like the one that they were in. I suspect they would be a lot more grateful and a lot less self-entitled than some of our more native unchallenged spongers and thiefs.
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Re: Moan of the Month

Postby Rocker » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:55 am

The Archbishop of Canterbury at Auschwitz Memorial / Muzeum Auschwitz.
Yesterday at 2:20pm ·
After visiting Auschwitz this week, here are some reflections on recognising and responding to evil:
This was my third visit to Auschwitz/Birkenau, and each time has been even more appalling. In early January the cold is penetrating, between 9 and 14 degrees below centigrade. We were fully equipped with snow boots, layers of clothing, hats, gloves, scarves... yet it worked through layer after layer until we were cold to the core. The prisoners wore the equivalent of pyjamas and clogs. We were out in that cold for five hours in the day. They would be out for 12 hours. We were fed. They were starved.
There are so many statistics about Auschwitz/Birkenau, but it defies description. Eighty-five per cent of prisoners died. Many in just days of arriving. Then there was the industrialized killing of the gas chambers. The vulnerable, the disabled, marginalised minorities, and above all the Jews: children, adults and the elderly, taken from a train to their deaths in as little as 30 minutes. Accounts were kept, profits were sought. No one can deny the reality of what happened. There is simply far, far, far too much evidence.
Our retreat at Auschwitz gathered the first cohort of the Learning Community (a group of Anglican clergy on a programme of in-service training) for three days of prayer and theological and scriptural reflection. We considered the issues of human evil: how we recognise it and how we respond.
Naturally it provoked so many questions:
Having seen this terrible place could we still speak of God? Could we still pray, and if so in what way?
Could we hear the tunes of evil in such a way that we recognise their modern variations?
Even if we recognised evil, how could we know we would have the courage to protest, to lament – and not be silent when horror threatened?
Here are three things that will stay with me:
First is the way that the perpetrators at Auschwitz tried to dehumanise their victims – in a way that actually cost the humanity of both. It worked to some extent. Prisoners killed others in order to live – and were then killed themselves. Others gave their lives, like St Maximilian Kolbe and St Edith Stein.
Second, these atrocities were committed by ordinary people. When one of the priests leading our retreat was asked who was to blame, he said: "People did it to people.”
Third, it was idolatrous and demonic. It was evil in the strict sense of human-created alternatives to the grace and providence of God. It reversed everything good with everything bad. During the retreat the Revd Dr Sam Wells gave three extraordinary reflections on this question.
Meanwhile the Very Revd Pete Wilcox reflected powerfully on Lamentations and Revelation – speaking of protest, hope and the call to endure.
I’ve come away with too much to write, and no words to write it. We must protest to the limit against evil: before it occurs, as it happens, and in its aftermath. But there is also a need for silent reflection – in which we honour the victims, mourn our capacity for evil, and learn to beware.

I read this today from the Archbishop and thought refugees have been through Hell and more.
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Re: Moan of the Month

Postby Denis Cromie » Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:27 pm

[u]I read this today from the Archbishop and thought refugees have been through Hell and more
. Good on you Rocker, we particularly with our history, should show an awful lot more generosity to refugees.
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Re: Moan of the Month

Postby Rocker » Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:41 am

Just noticed this morning that I am five years on this site and have only made 5778 postings. Will have to up my performance....that is nothing for a Rocker who has been vaccinated with a gramaphone needle. :lol: :lol:
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Re: Moan of the Month

Postby Denis Cromie » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:58 pm

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Re: Moan of the Month

Postby grammer » Tue Jan 17, 2017 6:48 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
.that is nothing for a Rocker who has been vaccinated with a gramaphone needle. :lol: :lol:

That's where I got my site name from Rocker :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Moan of the Month

Postby Gulliver » Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:36 pm

Rocker wrote:Just noticed this morning that I am five years on this site and have only made 5778 postings. Will have to up my performance....that is nothing for a Rocker who has been vaccinated with a gramaphone needle. :lol: :lol:


And we are just going to enter the year 5778 in the Jewish calendar in about 8 months - it is believed to be a year of peace
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Re: Moan of the Month

Postby Micheál » Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:39 pm

Rocker wrote:Just noticed this morning that I am five years on this site and have only made 5778 postings. Will have to up my performance....that is nothing for a Rocker who has been vaccinated with a gramaphone needle. :lol: :lol:


Its the quality that counts Rocker. And you sure have passed that test.
Looking forward to the next five.
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Re: Moan of the Month

Postby Rocker » Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:07 am

Gulliver wrote:
Rocker wrote:Just noticed this morning that I am five years on this site and have only made 5778 postings. Will have to up my performance....that is nothing for a Rocker who has been vaccinated with a gramaphone needle. :lol: :lol:


And we are just going to enter the year 5778 in the Jewish calendar in about 8 months - it is believed to be a year of peace


I like that Gulliver "A year of Divine Peace". We could well do with one.
It is such an uncertain time worldwide. A tiny country like Ireland once inspired the world with our peace pact North and South. I hope we can all get on course again.
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Re: Moan of the Month

Postby Rocker » Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:16 am

Micheál wrote:
Rocker wrote:Just noticed this morning that I am five years on this site and have only made 5778 postings. Will have to up my performance....that is nothing for a Rocker who has been vaccinated with a gramaphone needle. :lol: :lol:


Its the quality that counts Rocker. And you sure have passed that test.
Looking forward to the next five.
M.


:lol: :lol: Micheál, don't know too much about that quality but I'm looking forward to the next five :lol: :lol:
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Re: Moan of the Month

Postby Sinead » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:09 pm

Always enjoy your posts Rocker
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Re: Moan of the Month

Postby Strum » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:28 pm

Rocker wrote:vaccinated with a gramaphone needle.




Haha that's brilliant Rocker. Great line for a song, off you go Grammerphone. :lol:
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Re: Moan of the Month

Postby Toss » Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:36 pm

Strum wrote:
Rocker wrote:vaccinated with a gramaphone needle.



Haha that's brilliant Rocker. Great line for a song, off you go Grammerphone. :lol:


I think she was addicted to that gramaphone needle ........ it had a strange effect ....

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Re: Moan of the Month

Postby Rocker » Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:50 am

:lol: :lol: Toss, you are gas. Love that :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Moan of the Month

Postby bugrock » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:46 am

One of the best clips yet, definitely not for elevator enthusiasts. Well done Toss hellllo hellllo hellllo
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