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Re: Water and other political issues.

Postby keeper » Sat Sep 30, 2017 11:19 pm

Brilliant Toss ! Great posts and very informative, I fear though that these people are similar to the oil companies, all powerful with governments in the palm of their hands and the media likewise.
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Re: Water and other political issues.

Postby Toss » Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:51 pm

keeper wrote:Brilliant Toss ! Great posts and very informative, I fear though that these people are similar to the oil companies, all powerful with governments in the palm of their hands and the media likewise.


Thanks Keeper ...... since I posted my last comment, over 650 people* have read it and yet only one person bothered to comment, this suggests that people are happy to see foreign companies make huge profits out of Irish Water or just dont care :roll:

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34 and a half litres of Irish water to make one litre of Irish Whiskey was not something I would have expected.

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Re: Water and other political issues.

Postby gingertom » Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:56 am

https://www.economist.com/news/business ... are-racing

Toss, an answer of sorts here from the Economist? Slim profit margins for drinks companies?

Interesting info here regarding the consumption and the sources of water used by Diageo on page 19 which notes that there is a Cooperage Well on the Dublin centre site.I presume that you knew that?

http://www.epa.ie/licences/lic_eDMS/090 ... 604622.pdf
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Re: Water and other political issues.

Postby Toss » Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:20 pm

Thanks for your input GT, we are learning a little more each day wuu

I note that the Economist says 'The cost of the raw material, which comes from either natural or municipal sources, is next to nothing; the main costs are packaging, distribution and marketing' and it is clear that water is a growing industry where we are now seeing prices such as the £80/€90 a bottle in Harrods. The big companies are welcome to spend whatever they like on marketing, the slim profits are their spin in things and obviously do not match their company profit reports ;-).
Given that it is only in recent years that Diageo started looking to use this Well, I can only guess that they have good reason. However, lets not be fooled into thinking that their reports such as this one : http://www.epa.ie/licences/lic_eDMS/090151b280536a53.pdf, are above questioning. This report shows that they tested the well at optimum times (December-March) .... who knows what effect the removal of 100m3 per hour of water will have in the summer when we usually experience a drop in water levels. Like all reports, the paymasters set the terms and its highly unlikely that any 'bad news' would be broadcast.

My point is why should Irish Water be given away free to the international market, while the ordinary Irish tax paying citizen is basically being asked to fund the IW operation out of the state purse ...... even an extra cent tax per litre could be a huge revenue source for our state and see us tackle many of the long term problems like Health, Housing, infrastructure etc.

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Re: Water and other political issues.

Postby Strum » Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:39 am

Toss wrote: Thanks Keeper ...... since I posted my last comment, over 650 people* have read it and yet only one person bothered to comment, this suggests that people are happy to see foreign companies make huge profits out of Irish Water or just dont care :roll:



Toss, there is so much to say about ALL that's happening around us in "politics" I don't think my opinion counts much because I think we all know anyway that we're being screwed big time by these Leeches who are simply sucking money up like the latest Dyson. What I personally gather from various pages around the net is that there is increasing anger from the People, and frustration as to how to go about it. Votes? :lol:

I still have faith that so many of the population will never back down on the Water scam...we'll see... ;)


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Re: Water and other political issues.

Postby Toss » Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:55 pm

Strum wrote:
Toss wrote: Thanks Keeper ...... since I posted my last comment, over 650 people* have read it and yet only one person bothered to comment, this suggests that people are happy to see foreign companies make huge profits out of Irish Water or just dont care :roll:


Toss, there is so much to say about ALL that's happening around us in "politics" I don't think my opinion counts much because I think we all know anyway that we're being screwed big time by these Leeches who are simply sucking money up like the latest Dyson. What I personally gather from various pages around the net is that there is increasing anger from the People, and frustration as to how to go about it. Votes? :lol:

I still have faith that so many of the population will never back down on the Water scam...we'll see... ;)

Really interesting posts thanks.


Everyones opinion counts and I think if we are to hide our opinions, then we are part of the problem. Whats wrong with asking questions and challenging those who are elected representatives.... we may vote them in, but we certainly dont give them the right to do as they please. Far too often I hear interviewers fail to challenge the politicians they are interviewing, why???? are they beyond reproach ? are they so powerful that the media cant ask the obvious questions?

Today I heard our Minister for Finance on the radio constantly spinning how he is planning to invest extra millions of euro's to solve the housing crisis ...... this is the like me saying I am going to spend €100 to feed a family of four, it means nothing if I go out and spend the lot on a bottle of water from Harrods :P these spoofers need to be pushed and questions on how they plan to spend the money, how much will be spent before a foundation is dug ? how much is set aside for advertisement ? how much will be spent producing a strategic plan? if we cut out the useless sideshow that includes endless expert opinion, then I guarantee you we could build a town quicker that this crowd in charge can build ten houses.

There is SO much waste in our state spending, that I am convinced we are actually awash with money.
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Re: Water and other political issues.

Postby Toss » Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:37 pm

In relation to other political issues ........ the empire is crumbling, in fact the UK is in a right mess these days:

http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2017/11/08/the-lying-game-a-disturbing-pattern-of-deceit-in-westminster

If I was a betting man, I would say Ms May will not see the weekend as PM.... its a shambles and the lies are being exposed by the hour over there.
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Re: Water and other political issues.

Postby Denis Cromie » Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:17 am

I'm afraid we are in a post truth era. You worry for democracy, how long can it last. Is there a current national leader in the world where you could say yeah, I trust that person. BangHead
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Re: Water and other political issues.

Postby keeper » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:30 pm

No ! Well maybe that Canadian chappie Trudeau, at least he choose Ministers who are experts and matched to their respective portfolios, not like here where you can have ex school teachers as ministers with no expertise in anything let alone politics BangHead
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Re: Water and other political issues.

Postby Sinead » Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:39 pm

Keeper, what an awful thing to say about our well paid educators of
the young. But somehow, I think there is merit in what you say.


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Re: Water and other political issues.

Postby Denis Cromie » Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:09 pm

Yeah Keeper Trudeau would have been one of the world leaders who I thought were good but I see his family are mentioned in the Panama Papers as well as the Paradise Papers as having connections with off shore accounts,so where else can we look for decency. BangHead
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Re: Water and other political issues.

Postby Strum » Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:01 pm

Interesting take.

"Hello. I would like people to stop being shot. Can we have tighter gun regulations?"
Politician: "No, this is a mental health issue."
"Oh, Ok. Can we have access to mental health care?"
Politician: No, health care is a privilege, not a right.
"OK. Can we raise the minimum wage so we can afford to buy health care?"
Politician: No, below poverty wages are necessary to stabilize business and stimulate the economy.
"Ok, can I have a tax break that cuts my taxes so I'll have more money to buy health insurance?"
Politician: No, we need to give all the tax breaks to the top that will trickle down so they'll provide jobs that you'll earn money at, which will then pay for their tax breaks.
"Ok. Can we have a public option to at least make health insurance companies compete and lower the cost of care?
Politician: No, Socialism is bad and anti-American.
"Ok. Well then what can I have?"
Politician: Thoughts and prayers.
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Re: Water and other political issues.

Postby Denis Cromie » Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:05 pm

That about sizes it up Strum.
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Re: Water and other political issues.

Postby Strum » Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:58 pm

Darth Vardakar has spoken. 'Ireland has one of the lowest levels of homelessness' :twisted:
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Re: Water and other political issues.

Postby Toss » Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:17 pm

Strum wrote:Interesting take.

"Hello. I would like people to stop being shot. Can we have tighter gun regulations?"
Politician: "No, this is a mental health issue."
"Oh, Ok. Can we have access to mental health care?"
Politician: No, health care is a privilege, not a right.
"OK. Can we raise the minimum wage so we can afford to buy health care?"
Politician: No, below poverty wages are necessary to stabilize business and stimulate the economy.
"Ok, can I have a tax break that cuts my taxes so I'll have more money to buy health insurance?"
Politician: No, we need to give all the tax breaks to the top that will trickle down so they'll provide jobs that you'll earn money at, which will then pay for their tax breaks.
"Ok. Can we have a public option to at least make health insurance companies compete and lower the cost of care?
Politician: No, Socialism is bad and anti-American.
"Ok. Well then what can I have?"
Politician: Thoughts and prayers.


Weak voter : Oh ok Mr Politician, thank you for looking after us ..... we will vote for you and your party again and again and again despite the obvious fact that you really only care about yourself and your massive ego.
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Re: Water and other political issues.

Postby Toss » Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:29 pm

keeper wrote:No ! Well maybe that Canadian chappie Trudeau, at least he choose Ministers who are experts and matched to their respective portfolios, not like here where you can have ex school teachers as ministers with no expertise in anything let alone politics BangHead


Good point Keeper .... but I have to admire our ex-school teacher politicians, they know how to sniff out multiple state pensions :roll:

Is anyone surprised as to what our elected representatives do anyore ? how about ..... GAY icon Panti Bliss went on an eight-day trip to Asia funded by the taxpayer, it has emerged.

Rory O’Neill, aka Panti, and his tour manager were flown to Vietnam for Pride 2017 then on to Thai capital Bangkok to showcase the documentary about his life Queen Of Ireland.

A Freedom Of Information request by Clann revealed a bill for flights and hotels of €5,203, which was footed by the Department of Foreign Affairs
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Re: Water and other political issues.

Postby Strum » Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:24 am

Toss wrote:we will vote for you and your party again and again and again



And again and again and again...
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Re: Water and other political issues.

Postby Rocker » Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:41 pm

I have to admit I quite like Panti Bliss. I don't blame him for accepting the offer to go to Vietnam! I'd jump at the chance myself...but then again I don't have a public profile!! There are a huge amount of "junkets" funded by various Departments (your and my tax). Some of them have merit and are advantageous in promoting Ireland. Over the years I have heard of artists, singers, song writers, chefs,etc going on state funded missions.

As a little country on the edge of Europe we have to speculate to accumulate.
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Re: Water and other political issues.

Postby Strum » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:48 pm

The Seanad have asked that the President forego the usual 5 to 7 days grace in order to sign the Water Services Bill 2017 into law as quickly as he can grab a pen. Officially it is to expedite the issuance of the refunds before Christmas...

Unofficially, it's to get the River Basin Management Plan finished as quickly as possible and sent off to the EU, thus enshrining in law the commodification and commercialisation of our water. :twisted:


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Re: Water and other political issues.

Postby Toss » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:25 pm

Strum wrote:The Seanad have asked that the President forego the usual 5 to 7 days grace in order to sign the Water Services Bill 2017 into law as quickly as he can grab a pen. Officially it is to expedite the issuance of the refunds before Christmas...

Unofficially, it's to get the River Basin Management Plan finished as quickly as possible and sent off to the EU, thus enshrining in law the commodification and commercialisation of our water. :twisted:


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Re: Water and other political issues.

Postby Strum » Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:36 pm

Toss wrote:but who cares enough to bother changing their voting pattern ?



Same old song Toss, FF, FG, SF, Independents? Fkn joke mate and they know it. Spoil a vote? We've been through that before. Massive DE-registration of the population? That might work hypothetically, but try and tell the population that, and if that hypothetically happened then what?
This Country in the shits because of the Leeches in "power" All of our resources, Oil, Gas, Bogs, Seaweed, Wind-power, Homelessness, Health, taxes on farting, property, insurance, WATER...the list is endless. Time for war, but hypothetically that won't happen either because MOST people are happy with their lot, as I am, BUT the anger out there is tangible. Mass marches have dwindled because People think what's the point, it's not changing anything, hasn't changed anything, but they're wrong. The leeches got a fright when the People took to the Streets in massive demonstrations.
We the People CAN do something, but they won't.
Wayhay I got a refund from IW says the Xmas heads who paid the leeches in the first place. Wait till you get you Water Bills idiots. :D
It'll be fun to watch next year when the bill start.
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Re: Water and other political issues.

Postby Toss » Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:11 pm

So .... you are the Minister for Justice, its 2015 and the Maurice Mc Cabe issue is front page news. Questions are being asked and the heat is full on. What do you do ?

I would imagine your first thought is to make SURE you are not exposed and you would check all recorded correspondence related to the matter. However you are Frances Fitzgerald and you dont bother checking and decide you will play the "I don't recall card" if anything arises.

In business, if a senior manager used such an excuse .... he/she would be out of work. However it seems in Irish Politics you can forget to do your job properly and its acceptable to the majority of those who employed you. Personally I would be ashamed if I voted such a chancer into office and I would not make the same mistake again (and again) :lol: .
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Re: Water and other political issues.

Postby Rocker » Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:57 pm

I think all you need in politics nowadays is "a hard neck"!. In my youth I used to marvel at the "banana republics" and thank the lord that I lived in such a nice, safe, honest, place ...what kind of a thick was I ??? all those *** were laughing themselves silly at us thicks and talking down to us!! For the first time in my life I'm going to sit out this next election and have a few bevvies on election day...at least I'd be merry!!
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Re: Water and other political issues.

Postby Toss » Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:52 pm

So we are to believe poor innocent Frances Fitzgerald took one for the team ..... for the good of the country :roll:

Lets ignore the fact that she knew what was going on and did nothing while an innocent man was being set up by the state bullies. Well I'm delighted shes gone and am disappointed that she and her boss dragged out the saga for so long. There can be no excuse for the old school politics she was playing and her forced resignation will certainly focus the minds of the rest of the chancers in there. Its time they got a wake up call, the country cannot continue to operate on a nod and a wink behind the scenes.

When you are at the top, ignorance is not an excuse and Leo has learned a valuable lesson .... lets hope the next time questions are asked, he does his homework before assuming everything is as it should be.
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Re: Water and other political issues.

Postby Rocker » Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:56 am

Interesting times.Though I have to say it doesn't surprise me one bit how they were all ganging up on Maurice McCabe. The Irish psyche is to exclude the outsider...well... the one who isn't "playing the game" or isn't a "team player".

Mick Wallace was the lone voice...now I know he is not a good public speaker but he kept the subject in the limelight and I loved yesterday how he offered Leo a meeting to discuss with him all the documents he has and to tell Leo a bit about house building.
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